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Antler restriction on public land in WV...

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There will be quite a few thousand acres set aside this year in West Virginia for antler restriction. 14" minimum outside spread and doe harvesting will be cut back in a lot of counties. I live close enough to hunt one of the Wildlife Management Areas and these rules go for bow, rifle and smoke pole.

Glad to see it happen.....:)
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Doc said it. that's how they'll be passed on so they can grow. If you can't identify the spread then it walks.
Actually this was not meant as a positive feature of "antler-spread" style of AR. Personally, I think it is really quite stupid to come up with a scheme of antler restrictions that frustrates hunters and makes the abuse of the system more likely. I think that some people have become such rabid supporters of AR that they have lost sight of the fact that the main purpose of deer hunting is to get a deer. Creating laws that are designed for frustrating legitimate hunters, isn't exactly the smartest thing to be doing, especially in a climate where hunter numbers are diminishing. Yes, it would cause more bucks to survive and grow older simply because the restriction has made it too difficult to determine the deer's legality. But then, the same results could be achieved by simply outlawing the harvest of bucks. Or, how about making tooth aging a requirement prior to shooting, or any other ridiculous scheme that we can think of to thwart the harvest of bucks. You know, it is time for some to "get a grip" when it comes to this AR fanaticism. It's really starting to head for going a bit over the edge of reality.

Doc
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I think it is a welcome change. I live only 10-12 mins from Beechfork WMA. If we can keep the outlaws from breaking this reg. We should see an improvement in a few years
docteur said:
Actually this was not meant as a positive feature of "antler-spread" style of AR. Personally, I think it is really quite stupid to come up with a scheme of antler restrictions that frustrates hunters and makes the abuse of the system more likely. I think that some people have become such rabid supporters of AR that they have lost sight of the fact that the main purpose of deer hunting is to get a deer. Creating laws that are designed for frustrating legitimate hunters, isn't exactly the smartest thing to be doing, especially in a climate where hunter numbers are diminishing. Yes, it would cause more bucks to survive and grow older simply because the restriction has made it too difficult to determine the deer's legality. But then, the same results could be achieved by simply outlawing the harvest of bucks. Or, how about making tooth aging a requirement prior to shooting, or any other ridiculous scheme that we can think of to thwart the harvest of bucks. You know, it is time for some to "get a grip" when it comes to this AR fanaticism. It's really starting to head for going a bit over the edge of reality.

Doc
wow, that's not how I read your first post! you need to be more clear. that is the opposite from how your other post read.
wow, that's not how I read your first post! you need to be more clear. that is the opposite from how your other post read.
You're right. The first post contained a bit of sarcasm that probably wasn't quite as obvious as it should have been. Thanks for your reply that caused me to straighten out what might otherwise have remained a misinterpretation for everyone.

Just to re-clarify my opinion: I believe that the antler-spread style of AR is an unrealistic and over-complicated way of achieving AR. It may be a better way of ensuring that 1.5 year old deer are spared, but for the hunter that has gone to all the pains of properly setting up so that the buck is not looking at him, this style of AR is going to be pretty frustrating as he is not able to use the ears to guage antler spread. We should not be passing regulations that are designed to frustrate hunters. That is the job of the anti-hunting crowd .... lol.

Doc
I think your opinion is a little excessive. It only takes a few years and then the more mature deer become just as common as the little spikes
docteur said:
Actually this was not meant as a positive feature of "antler-spread" style of AR. Personally, I think it is really quite stupid to come up with a scheme of antler restrictions that frustrates hunters and makes the abuse of the system more likely. I think that some people have become such rabid supporters of AR that they have lost sight of the fact that the main purpose of deer hunting is to get a deer. Creating laws that are designed for frustrating legitimate hunters, isn't exactly the smartest thing to be doing, especially in a climate where hunter numbers are diminishing. Yes, it would cause more bucks to survive and grow older simply because the restriction has made it too difficult to determine the deer's legality. But then, the same results could be achieved by simply outlawing the harvest of bucks. Or, how about making tooth aging a requirement prior to shooting, or any other ridiculous scheme that we can think of to thwart the harvest of bucks. You know, it is time for some to "get a grip" when it comes to this AR fanaticism. It's really starting to head for going a bit over the edge of reality.

Doc
I read an interview with the head DNR the other day and what they are trying to do is, cater to all hunters. Just like every state that has deer and hunters, some of those hunters want to hunt just for horns and not meat.
I like the fact we have an option to do this here in WV. Believe me, it will be a 100:1 in the favor of meat hunters when it comes to land than for the horn hunters. I personally do not see a thing wrong with it here or in any other state. It's up to you and me how we want to hunt, but it is nice to have that option.
it's not just all about antler size, it has more to do with acheiving a healty age balance within the herd. A herd that is chocked full of spikes is just not as healty as a more age diverse one. Just pointing out that it's not necessarily the DNR catering to horn hunters, I'm sure the biologists know what they are doing. All the ones that were in the bottom of their class work for the Oregon Dept. of F&W so you are probably good to go where you are at.
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WV hunters, for the most part are meat hunters. Our young bucks do not stand a chance. The private tracts of land are too small(we control 600 acres, sounds like alot in WV, but out west 600 acres is a back yard). Our bucks stray, and then you know what happens. Hunter attitudes need to change, the one fellow is right, if the buck is not legal they will leave it lay. I do not blame a person for being a meat hunter(love it myself), times are tough here in WV. Tom:wink:
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