got back from hunting a week in illinois. had a very nice 140 class 9 ptr. in my lap the very first evening.(only 8 yds.) i let him pass in hopes of sticking a ten ptr. that had been seen in the area. the 9 ptr. was the only shooter i would see. it got hot and the deer stopped moving. moral of the story: if you're gonna spend money to shoot a deer, shoot a deer!!