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Best base layers?

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Hi I treestand hunt in Illinois and am trying to find a good baselayer. I’ve looked into the Firt lite Kiln QZ and the Sitka Heavyweight QZ, any other recommendations or opinions? I’ve heard FL stuff is good but customer service is an issue. TIA
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I just go with a cotton shirt then wool of some sort. If it is really cold (WI cold) I will double or even triple layer wool pull overs. I just retired my British commando sweater after 30 years.
I also have wool blend long underwear that seems to work better than anything else I've tried.


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FL furnace is probably the best out there for a heavy layer. I run patagonia Capilene air for a base layer , and it's absolutely perfect, you can wear it from 30-70 degrees. Adding the furnace for late season is an extremely effective combo. I own all kinds of layers from Smartwool, Icebreaker, Arcteryx, minus 33, , etc, and they all make great gear, but I've found the Patagonia- air/First lite-furnace to be the most versatile and effective combination by far. An honorable mention for versatility would be a Smartwool 250 quarter zip. I also add Patagonia Nano puff pants during late season, if I need some extra oomph. This system is light enough to not get me soaking wet, if I have to travel distance , but warm enough to keep me in the woods down to about 3 degrees thus far. ( paired with Sitka Fanatic system, incinerator hat).
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wearing base layers at 70 degrees? that is t-shirt and nylon hiking pants tree stand weather...

I only wear "base layers" if less then 40 degrees and cloudy or less then 30 degrees and sunny.

I guess I am just that much tougher then others on here, when I actually thought I was succeptable to the cold weather, guess not...

Maybe my base layers I posted ar so much better then the rest that have been posted and sworn to..
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wearing base layers at 70 degrees? that is t-shirt and nylon hiking pants tree stand weather...

I only wear "base layers" if less then 40 degrees and cloudy or less then 30 degrees and sunny.

I guess I am just that much tougher then others on here, when I actually thought I was succeptable to the cold weather, guess not...

Maybe my base layers I posted ar so much better then the rest that have been posted and sworn to..
I can say this I worked construction over 30’years and worked outside all my life . I never worked in more than a turtleneck and good heavy sweatshirt . And worked in some nasty weather. That carried over into hunting and can say hunt hunted in temps well below zero never bothered me. Since retiring 1 10 years ago I can’t take the cold anymore,
wearing base layers at 70 degrees? that is t-shirt and nylon hiking pants tree stand weather...

I only wear "base layers" if less then 40 degrees and cloudy or less then 30 degrees and sunny.

I guess I am just that much tougher then others on here, when I actually thought I was succeptable to the cold weather, guess not...

Maybe my base layers I posted ar so much better then the rest that have been posted and sworn to..
I work outside and live in Ms. For the past 3 weeks I go to work and it's 30, but by the time we leave it's 70 or even 80. I certainly don't put on a base layer when it's 70 when I leave the house. Hell, I don't even wear one when it's 50, but when it's 25 or 30 I'm definitely wearing my bottoms.
I guess you really are one tough son of a gun, Buddy!
wearing base layers at 70 degrees? that is t-shirt and nylon hiking pants tree stand weather...

I only wear "base layers" if less then 40 degrees and cloudy or less then 30 degrees and sunny.

I guess I am just that much tougher then others on here, when I actually thought I was succeptable to the cold weather, guess not...

Maybe my base layers I posted ar so much better then the rest that have been posted and sworn to..
I will also add, that I'm certain your base layers are higher quality than the rest of ours. After all, we're just mere mortals around here, but the specific layer I mentioned was engineered to function just as it does. It's aptly named, as it's extremely thin and the material expands as body temp rises, to dump heat. It's not a layer that will keep you warm ever, it just won't allow you to get cold. Each piece is around $120, and I would pay more if I had to. It's functions flawlessly. I would love to know what it is you're wearing, but I would also be curious as to your BMI.
Personally, I work a demanding job, and am quite active in the outdoors and gym, so I tend to float around 12-15%. I'm far from a meat head, but I don't have chicken nuggets insulating me, so my body requires outsourcing that task. This is where base layers of varying degrees of warmth come into play.

Also, having a layer that can perform in such a wide range of temps is invaluable even in winter. Because the layers are designed to work with body temp, NOT atmospheric temps. It may only be 20 degrees outside, but as we're hauling our asses and gear long distances to our hunting spots, the vast majority of us, unlike pure specimens such as yourself, start to generate body heat. If we are wearing thick layers that are only designed to keep you warm, that heat as a tough time escaping and we end up sweaty and cold as soon as we become static. This is why this type of layer is so invaluable. We'll, to those of us who aren't tough anyway.

I really appreciate your reply, Buddy. I feel a bit stronger and more manly just from this correspondence.
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I will also add, that I'm certain your base layers are higher quality than the rest of ours. After all, we're just mere mortals around here, but the specific layer I mentioned was engineered to function just as it does. It's aptly named, as it's extremely thin and the material expands as body temp rises, to dump heat. It's not a layer that will keep you warm ever, it just won't allow you to get cold. Each piece is around $120, and I would pay more if I had to. It's functions flawlessly. I would love to know what it is you're wearing, but I would also be curious as to your BMI.
Personally, I work a demanding job, and am quite active in the outdoors and gym, so I tend to float around 12-15%. I'm far from a meat head, but I don't have chicken nuggets insulating me, so my body requires outsourcing that task. This is where base layers of varying degrees of warmth come into play.

Also, having a layer that can perform in such a wide range of temps is invaluable even in winter. Because the layers are designed to work with body temp, NOT atmospheric temps. It may only be 20 degrees outside, but as we're hauling our asses and gear long distances to our hunting spots, the vast majority of us, unlike pure specimens such as yourself, start to generate body heat. If we are wearing thick layers that are only designed to keep you warm, that heat as a tough time escaping and we end up sweaty and cold as soon as we become static. This is why this type of layer is so invaluable. We'll, to those of us who aren't tough anyway.

I really appreciate your reply, Buddy. I feel a bit stronger and more manly just from this correspondence.
Love the post !!👍. Just curious about the baselayer you are referring to , it’s from Patagonia ???
I will also add, that I'm certain your base layers are higher quality than the rest of ours. After all, we're just mere mortals around here, but the specific layer I mentioned was engineered to function just as it does. It's aptly named, as it's extremely thin and the material expands as body temp rises, to dump heat. It's not a layer that will keep you warm ever, it just won't allow you to get cold. Each piece is around $120, and I would pay more if I had to. It's functions flawlessly. I would love to know what it is you're wearing, but I would also be curious as to your BMI.
Personally, I work a demanding job, and am quite active in the outdoors and gym, so I tend to float around 12-15%. I'm far from a meat head, but I don't have chicken nuggets insulating me, so my body requires outsourcing that task. This is where base layers of varying degrees of warmth come into play.

Also, having a layer that can perform in such a wide range of temps is invaluable even in winter. Because the layers are designed to work with body temp, NOT atmospheric temps. It may only be 20 degrees outside, but as we're hauling our asses and gear long distances to our hunting spots, the vast majority of us, unlike pure specimens such as yourself, start to generate body heat. If we are wearing thick layers that are only designed to keep you warm, that heat as a tough time escaping and we end up sweaty and cold as soon as we become static. This is why this type of layer is so invaluable. We'll, to those of us who aren't tough anyway.

I really appreciate your reply, Buddy. I feel a bit stronger and more manly just from this correspondence.

no Idea what my BMI is right now, have a triathlon the first of May, stopped doing the ironmans 10 years ago and started hitting the gym harder so I have gained some muscle but my skin is still thin..
I usually walk to my stands wearing whatever that I do not sweat, start out walking cold and with in a half mile or so, just about right and have changed clothes numerous times 100 yards from my stands, or just put my jacket on

I m more of a function over price, but like the poster I quoted, he came back and explained the 70 degree comment which adds relevance to what the OP was asking, other wise it had no meaning what so ever..
so see, my post was beneficial to the OP...yours is probably not since you did not mention the name of your base layer that expands....
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no Idea what my BMI is right now, have a triathlon the first of May, stopped doing the ironmans 10 years ago and started hitting the gym harder so I have gained some muscle but my skin is still thin..
I usually walk to my stands wearing whatever that I do not sweat, start out walking cold and with in a half mile or so, just about right and have changed clothes numerous times 100 yards from my stands, or just put my jacket on

I m more of a function over price, but like the poster I quoted, he came back and explained the 70 degree comment which adds relevance to what the OP was asking, other wise it had no meaning what so ever..
so see, my post was beneficial to the OP...yours is probably not since you did not mention the name of your base layer that expands....

You responded to the post where I named them both specifically.
Love the post !!👍. Just curious about the baselayer you are referring to , it’s from Patagonia ???
Yes sir. It's a patagonia Capilene air. I was honestly pissed off when I ordered my first set because of how thin the stuff is. But I've been wearing the it for 2 or 3 years now, and I reach for it more than any other layers by far.

I just started using the FL furnace 350 this past season, and it's thick, but it sure does do its job. Between the two, there's not luch mother nature could throw at me that I couldn't be comfortable in. I was hunting for 3 days in temps right around zero this past year, and I was relatively comfortable. I live in the south, so temps that low are bone chilling with the associated humidity. I would confidently say the layers did their jobs perfectly. Well worth the money!
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I have first lite, Kuiu, black ovis, Ice breaker and Sitka base layers. First lite wool is my favorite by a landslide.
You responded to the post where I named them both specifically.
He didn’t read your post , you do mention the baselayers .
Smart wool has been the longest lasting for me.
My go to base layers when it’s cold out is first lite furnace….other good ones I have are minus 33


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I have smart wool lighter weight layers for early season and the first lite furnace for late season. Very happy with both.
I have tried a lot of the top brands. Each brand has some great pieces but I really like the Black Ovis stuff. Great quality and warmth. Great prices also. Can't get good deals on Camofire


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I’m sitting in a blind now with FL Funace on top and bottom. Low was 43* this morning, it’s 47* now. I don’t like being cold at all!!!!!

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There's only one right answer for cold weather, and that's the same thing nature has used for millenia - wool.
The only wool base layer most people can put up with is Ulfrotte, now called SmartWool. It's not only soft enough to be against skin, but machine washable. It will not felt in the dryer if you follow instructions correctly.
I won't get into details about warm when wet etc., but there's no man made materials that match what millions of years of evolution created.
On REALLY cold days, my second layer is down base layer.
I own every weight (light, medium, heavy, etc.) in Ulfrotte base layers, and they don't require anything else except for boxers on the bottom. I don't feel the need for an upper body undergarment, I just don't want my bare arse on $100 pair of thermal bottoms. They don't seem to hold scent, but I hope everyone is using Sportwash and no fabric softener, the scent of regular detergent and the UV dyes even in the so called "dye free" grocery store detergents is garbage for hunting.

I am lucky that my wife sees the benefit of never using anything but Sportwash, we are on our second washer /dryer that has never seen anything but Sportwash. It's amazing how we can smell who has been at our house for literally days after based on the laundry detergent they use. Whatever base you go with, it makes a HUGE DIFFERENCE in getting busted when you don't use regular detergent!
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There's only one right answer for cold weather, and that's the same thing nature has used for millenia - wool.
The only wool base layer most people can put up with is Ulfrotte, now called SmartWool. It's not only soft enough to be against skin, but machine washable. It will not felt in the dryer if you follow instructions correctly.
I won't get into details about warm when wet etc., but there's no man made materials that match what millions of years of evolution created.
On REALLY cold days, my second layer is down base layer.
I own every weight (light, medium, heavy, etc.) in Ulfrotte base layers, and they don't require anything else except for boxers on the bottom. I don't feel the need for an upper body undergarment, I just don't want my bare arse on $100 pair of thermal bottoms. They don't seem to hold scent, but I hope everyone is using Sportwash and no fabric softener, the scent of regular detergent and the UV dyes even in the so called "dye free" grocery store detergents is garbage for hunting.

I am lucky that my wife sees the benefit of never using anything but Sportwash, we are on our second washer /dryer that has never seen anything but Sportwash. It's amazing how we can smell who has been at our house for literally days after based on the laundry detergent they use. Whatever base you go with, it makes a HUGE DIFFERENCE in getting busted when you don't use regular detergent!
Wool is hydrophilic, it sucks up water and holds it. A merino wool baselayer is better at keeping you cool than it is at keeping you warm.
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