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I went in to be measured for an X-Force yesterday, mainly because they have a history of a bit of a long draw. I have been thru the too long of a draw thing, and I DON'T mess with my draw length, so...

( I am 6'3" )

So, the guy looks at me from behind the counter and says "30".

I said 30 what?

The guys say only "30" again.

I repeated I needed to get my draw length measured.

He says, "You're a 30" draw".

I said "How do you know that?"

He says, "I have been doing this for 11 years."

I mentioned that I have a very short draw length for my height, and I don't feel comfortable ordering a bow without having my draw measured on an actual X-Force.

He reluctantly goes back into the work area and comes back with one of those in my opinion inaccurate draw measuring devises. So, with no D-Loop or release, I draw it in my normal form.

He starts telling me that my form is wrong and comes around the counter to "help me".

I was nice, let him know that my form is good, and that I am not interested in changing my form.

Thanked him for his help, and walked out.

Needless to say, I will never set foot in there again.

The arrogance was amazing. Guys like this are the reason so many people have incorrect draw lengths.

Funny thing is, I don't think he knew he lost a customer.
 

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Estimating DL based on height only gets you in the ballpark. DL should be measured for sure. My DL would probably be ~28" for my height (5' 9.5") but my hands drag the ground so it's actually 29.5".


Is there a chance you mistook his attempts to help you as arrogance? Some people offer help when it isn't wanted and some people that need help don't want it.
 

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Estimating DL based on height only gets you in the ballpark. DL should be measured for sure. My DL would probably be ~28" for my height (5' 9.5") but my hands drag the ground so it's actually 29.5".


Is there a chance you mistook his attempts to help you as arrogance? Some people offer help when it isn't wanted and some people that need help don't want it.
lmao next thing u will be saying is you have a kickstand lol:wink:
 

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Estimating DL based on height only gets you in the ballpark. DL should be measured for sure. My DL would probably be ~28" for my height (5' 9.5") but my hands drag the ground so it's actually 29.5".


Is there a chance you mistook his attempts to help you as arrogance? Some people offer help when it isn't wanted and some people that need help don't want it.
I am pretty sure it was arrogance.

And I did not ask for an archery form lesson. I am in the midst of hunting the African Big 5, 2 down, 3 to go. I am not exactly a beginner.

I have been shooting the same bow for 11 years, and felt that the best way to get fitted properly was to draw the actual bow I want to buy.

Only a fool looks at someone and is adamant of his/her draw length.
 

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Sad deal he lost a customer over his guesstimation. Was this the owner or an employee? If an employee maybe call the owner and tell him your concerns. Pro Shops need to cater to the customer and those that will usually stay in business.
 

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Guy was prolly just trying to help you out imo. I've mananged an archery shop, and you gotta understand that 95% of the people who walk through that door are complete morons who know nothing about what DL they need or whether their form needs help or not, but almost all of them think they are absolute experts!!! haha :D :D Not saying that you fall into this category, but the guy has no idea what your level of knowledge and experience is so sounds like he was at least trying to make an effort to help you out in case you were one of those 95% of morons.

Gotta understand that sometimes you need to have a bit of patience with people like this too. No need to having the "they lost a customer" attitude just cuz the guy prolly had the best of intentions in trying to help you out.
 

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Guy was prolly just trying to help you out imo. I've mananged an archery shop, and you gotta understand that 95% of the people who walk through that door are complete morons who know nothing about what DL they need or whether their form needs help or not, but almost all of them think they are absolute experts!!! haha :D :D Not saying that you fall into this category, but the guy has no idea what your level of knowledge and experience is so sounds like he was at least trying to make an effort to help you out in case you were one of those 95% of morons.

Gotta understand that sometimes you need to have a bit of patience with people like this too. No need to having the "they lost a customer" attitude just cuz the guy prolly had the best of intentions in trying to help you out.
well said :thumb:
 

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Estimating DL based on height only gets you in the ballpark. DL should be measured for sure. My DL would probably be ~28" for my height (5' 9.5") but my hands drag the ground so it's actually 29.5".


Is there a chance you mistook his attempts to help you as arrogance? Some people offer help when it isn't wanted and some people that need help don't want it.
I had a similar experience. I'm 5'11" with a 76" wingspan which equals in to close to 30.5" draw. I shoot a 30" draw with .5" loop.

I went to test shoot some bows at the local shop. The guy at the pro shot said you're a 28".....I said I need a 30" draw. He argued with me in front of everyone, saying everyone shoots way to long of draw....I agreed that many shoot to long of a draw, but I told him to save his time and set up the 30" draw bows. After finally listening to me, we went to the shooting range upstairs and I commenced shooting. He was astonished at my ability to know my correct draw. He went and got anybody he could to say "come guess what draw length this guy is"........I finally told him, maybe you guys shouldn't guess draw lengths......maybe you should measure. :)
 

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Guy was prolly just trying to help you out imo. I've mananged an archery shop, and you gotta understand that 95% of the people who walk through that door are complete morons who know nothing about what DL they need or whether their form needs help or not, but almost all of them think they are absolute experts!!! haha :D :D Not saying that you fall into this category, but the guy has no idea what your level of knowledge and experience is so sounds like he was at least trying to make an effort to help you out in case you were one of those 95% of morons.

Gotta understand that sometimes you need to have a bit of patience with people like this too. No need to having the "they lost a customer" attitude just cuz the guy prolly had the best of intentions in trying to help you out.

Exactly!!!!!!
 

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Everybody looks at me and say 27"or 28" DL. If I don't mind having my knuckles in the corner of my mouth I can shoot 28" bow. At 27" hitting the back wall kinda hurts. I prefer 29", I shot my xforce at 28" for 1 1/2 years because the "experts" said that is what I needed. Swapped my 29" modules for the 28" modules, a couple twists on the string and it's perfect. Now I can close my eyes draw to my anchor point, then open my eyes and I am looking straight through my peep every time.
 

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Guy was prolly just trying to help you out imo. I've mananged an archery shop, and you gotta understand that 95% of the people who walk through that door are complete morons who know nothing about what DL they need or whether their form needs help or not, but almost all of them think they are absolute experts!!! haha :D :D Not saying that you fall into this category, but the guy has no idea what your level of knowledge and experience is so sounds like he was at least trying to make an effort to help you out in case you were one of those 95% of morons.

Gotta understand that sometimes you need to have a bit of patience with people like this too. No need to having the "they lost a customer" attitude just cuz the guy prolly had the best of intentions in trying to help you out.
Very well put,how many times we read about how somebody goes in a store and nobody helps them and this guy was trying.I work retail and I always try to start from scratch with my customers to make sure I fulfil their needs without any misunderstandings.
 

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Guy was prolly just trying to help you out imo. I've mananged an archery shop, and you gotta understand that 95% of the people who walk through that door are complete morons who know nothing about what DL they need or whether their form needs help or not, but almost all of them think they are absolute experts!!! haha :D :D Not saying that you fall into this category, but the guy has no idea what your level of knowledge and experience is so sounds like he was at least trying to make an effort to help you out in case you were one of those 95% of morons.

Gotta understand that sometimes you need to have a bit of patience with people like this too. No need to having the "they lost a customer" attitude just cuz the guy prolly had the best of intentions in trying to help you out.
Excellent post, and I agree, you are right. I was nice to him, but possibly should have shown more patience with him. Yes, I know what I want and need, surely in the 5% group. I have done the trial and error in DL's, and mine might be a bit short, although at 6'3" my wingspan is only 73.5" which is short for my height, but I went shorter, giving up arrow speed for better form and more accuracy.
 

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The sad thing is, he has even know when he is wrong, because with his arrogance he thinks he's always right. That's too bad, to think you have customers just because they'll always be bow hunters, and you don't value the ones standing in front of you to get it right, pathetic.

He probably doesn't even know he's living with himself !


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I went in to be measured for an X-Force yesterday, mainly because they have a history of a bit of a long draw. I have been thru the too long of a draw thing, and I DON'T mess with my draw length, so...

( I am 6'3" )

So, the guy looks at me from behind the counter and says "30".

I said 30 what?

The guys say only "30" again.

I repeated I needed to get my draw length measured.

He says, "You're a 30" draw".

I said "How do you know that?"

He says, "I have been doing this for 11 years."

I mentioned that I have a very short draw length for my height, and I don't feel comfortable ordering a bow without having my draw measured on an actual X-Force.

He reluctantly goes back into the work area and comes back with one of those in my opinion inaccurate draw measuring devises. So, with no D-Loop or release, I draw it in my normal form.

He starts telling me that my form is wrong and comes around the counter to "help me".

I was nice, let him know that my form is good, and that I am not interested in changing my form.

Thanked him for his help, and walked out.

Needless to say, I will never set foot in there again.

The arrogance was amazing. Guys like this are the reason so many people have incorrect draw lengths.

Funny thing is, I don't think he knew he lost a customer.
One of the #1 rules in retail

"Listen to the customer"

That does not necessarily mean they are 100% correct, but listen anyway.
 
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