[RevBelleville]

So, I have combed the forum, and the closest relative thread I found was from 2018. So, as it's been a minute, I am starting a new one.

For my father, whom of which, I am dragging to TAC this year, I am trying to build him a good set of arrows that will allow him to reach the ~100yard shots. Bow is a Mathews Tactic 50# and 28" DL of course, that is asking much of a 50# bow, yet trying to set him up for success. Probably will run a MBG Mountain Lite 3 pin. The arrow I am considering is the Easton Avance (6.5gpi @ 28.25" with 80gr glue in point). according to Archers Advantage this would be an optimum spined arrow, and hopefully a good arrow for him. Trying to keep it simple and relatively inexpensive...

We still are going to check his poundage again, and maybe do a test chrono before the Final arrow build. This setup I think according to Archers Advantage may yield a 322 grain arrow.

Thoughts - Insights

 

[Yawna-GO]

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[Wild Bill 71]

Check out the Victory 3DHV. Great light weight arrow.

 

[The Old Guy]

I pull 60# and use a Gold Tip Ultralight 400 spine at 28”. TAW = 346 grains. I get better than 300 fps out of it.

 

[The SB Image]

for silly shots like TAC light arrows really make sense.... Both me and my wife use Victory 3DHV arrows ($10 per shaft) for TAC. nice for me but really helped her and her 40lbs DW 26" DL a TON!

Light arrows, slider sight with adjustable bottom/floater, move the sight in towards riser, make sure the peep is in the correct place (not 2 low, I'm certainly no pro but sure looks pretty common looking at people dipping down scrunching up to find the peeps at the range. *especially with short axle to axle bows )

100 yards from a 50lbs bow with a 28" draw is totally doable. my wife (sub 40lbs 26" DL) get 80 yards with a single pin scope.. could get another 10-15 with an sjustible multi pin scope.

* depending on arrow length you may find 500 spine arrows work out/line up with charts not just 400's

 

[phatkaw]

It's nice to hear you're "dragging" your Dad with you!

I'm shooting 500 spine RIPs at 50lbs and 26" DL out to 100 no problem.

 

[Crowely]

To shoot that far effectively and get sight setups to work without doing something really different. Its just about staying up around 280 fps or more. At that poundage and draw length you will probably need around a 320 grain arrow. The sight tapes on many sights when you shoot down around 250 to 260 fps or so will only go to 60 to 70 yards. If you deduct the point weight and nock and fletching, then take the remaining weight and divide by the length, you will come up with the grains per inch needed to get the overall weight. It's going to be around 6 grains per inch or so. In .500 spine there a more than .400 spine. 7 to 7.5 grains per inch is a pretty light arrow for a .400 spine. But there are some super light arrows made. If you use them, you can put more weight on the tip, which helps with long range stability. I would try to build one arrow to experiment with, honestly that is the best way. You can shoot a hundred yards with a slower heavier arrow, it is really about just getting the sights to work within reason.

 

[Balazar]

Do everything you can the pull those extra yards out.

• Use a slider sight with multiple pins so you can put one at the very bottom of the housing for "super mega ultra long range".
• Consider 4 fletch with smaller lower profile vanes to clear the sight housing.
• Get the arrow weight as light as you can.
• 85gr field points and the lightest insert you feel is durable enough.
• Cut the arrow as short as possible too.
• You can use archers advantage to play with shaft length and see if you can drop down to a weaker spine at the shortest length possible.

A few things to consider. Light is fast and fast shoots flatter and flatter trajectory means a more condensed sight tape with more range before fletching contacts the sight housing. But light is also effected more by wind. You can mitigate this by using a smaller diameter shaft. .204 or .166 would be a good idea. Also Dudley has a sadistic sense of humor. You will have long range targets at extreme angles with a backstop of granite rubble. You can try to make durable arrows. Durability usually = more weight. Or you can make peace with the idea of loosing some arrows, bring extras and play the "who looses the most arrows buys the drinks" game.

 

[jo3st3]

For something like TAC, where there's a good chance you're losing arrows, go with something that's quality but still relatively inexpensive like the Easton Sonic 6.0. It's light enough to pick up some speed / range without breaking the bank. Probably something like 27/27.5" 400 spine might be about right and probably close to 350 grains ballpark

 

[Balazar]

One more option, learn to stack pins. If you gotta shoot 90 but you only have a 70 yard pin, put the 70 on the target. Make a mental reference of what the 50 pin is aiming at and then aim the 70 pin where the 50 was. It's not ideal, but it can be made to work.

 

[phatkaw]

^^^ Colorado Windage 🤔

 

[Mr. Ken]

Instead of using an insert to screw the arrow into, use glue in target points. That would maybe save a few grains.
I have a friend that is shooting about 40 pounds of draw weight for field target matches in the Freestyle class. I think he might be using the 3DHV shafts. He does not have any problems reaching the 80 yard target.

 

[Archerybuff]

The new Easton Superdrive Micros would be an excellent choice. Lots of spine selections.

325	8.1	.233	*33.25	#4	#4	#5
375	7.4	.228	*33.00	#3	#4	#4
425	6.8	.224	*32.75	#3	#3	#4
475	6.4	.221	*32.50	#2	#3	#3
525	6.1	.218	*32.25	#2	#3	#3
575	5.9	.217	32.00	#2	#2	#3
625	5.7	.216	31.75	#2	#2	#2
675	5.6	.215	31.50	#2	#2	#2
750	5.5	.214	31.25	#2	#2	#2
850	5.3	.213	31.00	#1	#2	#2
950	5.1	.210	30.75	#1	#2	#2

 

[RevBelleville]

Instead of using an insert to screw the arrow into, use glue in target points. That would maybe save a few grains.
I have a friend that is shooting about 40 pounds of draw weight for field target matches in the Freestyle class. I think he might be using the 3DHV shafts. He does not have any problems reaching the 80 yard target.

Yes this was the original plan, no screw in points or inserts. Just a glue in points.

 

[Mr. Ken]

The new Easton Superdrive Micros would be an excellent choice. Lots of spine selections.

325	8.1	.233	*33.25	#4	#4	#5
375	7.4	.228	*33.00	#3	#4	#4
425	6.8	.224	*32.75	#3	#3	#4
475	6.4	.221	*32.50	#2	#3	#3
525	6.1	.218	*32.25	#2	#3	#3
575	5.9	.217	32.00	#2	#2	#3
625	5.7	.216	31.75	#2	#2	#2
675	5.6	.215	31.50	#2	#2	#2
750	5.5	.214	31.25	#2	#2	#2
850	5.3	.213	31.00	#1	#2	#2
950	5.1	.210	30.75	#1	#2	#2

There is a new uncut dozen of the Super Drive Micros in 425 spine for sale in the classifieds for $125 I think, maybe $135.

 

[buckmaster27]

High country archery carbon revolution speed pro arrows 5.5 gpi I just got a dozen and really like em gotta order more wife wants shoot them now also

 

[rwk83]

Victory XV is perfect


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[GBBL GBL]

Check out the Victory 3DHV. Great light weight arrow.

I shoot the RIP XV which is the exact same arrow as the 3DHV just rebadged on the hunting line, My specs are 26.5”/60# and that arrow with 150 grain glue in Victory points is 330 grains in a 400 spine cut to 26” carbon to carbon. It is exactly 280 fps. it is such a great arrow!

 

[kballer1]

53# 27.5" DL 27" CtC 120 gr. points 9" extension in next to last extended hole 470 spine can aim right on at 100 yards & still have clearance with vane to scope. Total arrow weight is 363 gr.

 

[Skyydyyver]

I'm shooting the 3dhv v6 which are $10 a shaft hard to beat that price. I haven't shot them past 50 yards yet though but I'm really liking them.
My total arrow weight is 340 grains with 130 grain glue in point (I'm at 60lbs) so you could easily get down to around 300gr which puts you safely over the 5gr/lb safety margin which is 250gr at 50#.
As others have said, use low profile vanes, cut the arrow as short as possible, buy the lowest gpi arrow and then put as much weight up front as you can spare.
3dhv are 5.9 gpi at 400 spine. At 50lb you could probably go with a 500 spine which is 5.0 gpi.