[luke308]

Doesn't make hunting or bowhunting look good.

And southern Australia just had bow hunting banned, and Bee still puts this video out.

I suspect Australia will see more bowhunting bans.

People these days don't use their brain, they care more about money and fame, the destruction the leave behind them doesn't matter.

he should have left this one off utube, anyone can watch this and say, well that just dont look good im not going to show this one..

 

[luke308]

So many people fail to realize the fight that is going on for our hunting rights at the moment and just how dire the situation is. Actually look into what's going on in Colorado or Washington, and as easy as it is to think that doesn't affect you, it does, and it is just the beginning. The anti-hunters are very well funded and organized and have a very effective strategy they are utilizing. Videos like this just give them even more material and leverage to accomlish their end goal. But hey, Chris is making some money from it so that's all that matters, right?

money and more money. that also goes for some of these crappy hunting outfitters too

 

[luke308]

If they outlaw hunting, I'll just become an outlaw. What they don't realize is many places would have MUCH more poaching due to the fact there aren't any regulations to follow, and well you are already breaking the law. Might as well take all you want then, and then they will wonder where their animals went. My area of Texas deer were nearly extinct back before they had regulations, and the same would happen again. I guess I'm just rambling about a hypothetical situation, but that's how I feel.

if you have a private ranch you can really do what you want and no one will ever know right, but to be an outlaw on public land and try to kill game illegally you gonna get caught.

 

[Brysn H]

If hunting is banned outright, i would probably go back to spotlighting fat does with a .22 mag like the old days. Before they made it a felony🤣

Definitely not giving up deer meat, or squirrel or cottontail either.

 

[luke308]

I worry my daughter will be priced out of hunting by the time she’s of age and archery will become very expensive dot killing. These companies and influencers are going to turn this thing into golf or precision rifle shooting at this point if we don’t have a course correction.

Western state hunters are losing their privileges, getting crushed legislatively, and will eventually travel east and tag prices/allowances will change accordingly

thats true, this young generation will be priced out of hunting in time, hunting is becomming a very expensive sport. im happy i had my hunting years in the 80s and 90s things were better then, pretty easy to get tags and still priced pretty good. i remember when i got out of the service in 1991 me and a buddy went to colorado on a guided deer hunt, the cost was 1000 and we both got pretty good bucks. that day is looong gone

 

[luke308]

If you call those shots buried there is something wrong with your perception and no one says that. That is the misrepresentation that makes people hate the Ashby stuff. Comments like yours show that you don't know at all what Ashby advocates for. Arrow weight is 6th on the list of important factors for penetration.

You build arrows for what you want to do with them. It is no different than choosing a rifle cartridge. Chris Bee took a deer setup buffalo hunting and it didn't work out well. He thought the extra speed from shooting 80 lb would overcome what he lacked in weight and it didn't.

this i would agree with, your arrow setup and broadhead choice needs to match the game your hunting. i would not use my arrow and broadhead setup to hunt elk, but for small blacktail deer its great

 

[luke308]

how many arrows do you think it took the native tribes to take down an american buffalo, more then a few im sure.

 

[DonPablo]

I didnt read any of the comments.

There are two ways to build arrows for animals: water buffalo heavy with moderate KE or light with lots of KE.

It also takes good shot placement.

450gr. no pass through but put it in the heart.


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Holy crap, Eric. I didn't realize that was you. Lol. Harvey told me about your WB. I'm planning to hunt one next month. I may have to come over and check out your mount.

 

[enewman]

Holy crap, Eric. I didn't realize that was you. Lol. Harvey told me about your WB. I'm planning to hunt one next month. I may have to come over and check out your mount.

I cheeped out. I just did a euro mount. Haha

 

[vmals]

If you look at his hunting videos he always was hunting deer, whitetail,...most of that from a tree stand. I have not been an avid follower of his but looking back at his videos I do not think he hunted any thing tougher than deer. I could be wrong. So he should have at least tried to seek some advice from a fellow hunter who hunted big game. Instead he just did some penetration tests into a gel and came to conclusion that a light arrow is going to do just as well as a heavy arrow. So he goes off to Australia to hunt what is probably the toughest animal to kill with a bow. So naturally if you have not tried to progress in your quest to hunt bigger and bigger animals and you want to skip a few steps you can fall.

He’s killed multiple elk, at least one hugh moose, mnt goat, pigs and I’m sure I’m missing some stuff. pretty sure everything was with a 430ish grain arrow.
The water buff video was not a good look but I have a feeling he’s not losing any sleep over it. Probably somewhere cool as hell rn with a prototype Mathew’s in his hand on a big money hunt he didn’t pay for.

 

[dwcreations]

I don’t reply a lot on the forums here, but just an FYI, I may be able to help shed some light on this one. In general, I am not a big fan of you tubers and podcasters. It seems like there are a lot of wannabes out there that don’t have real world experience, or much in field knowledge, but want to become quidkly Internet famous. I do believe, from what I have observed, that Chris Bee is pretty knowledgeable, does have common sense ideas on Archery, and a pretty solid amount of real world experience, considering his younger age. I was fortunate enough to go hunt in the northern territory in Arnhem land of Australia about two weeks after Chris was there. I was hunting in a different camp, so I cannot comment specifically on his outfitter or the method that they used to hunt. I was fortunate enough to harvest , a very large mature, old trophy, water buffalo bull using archery equipment. The equipment I used, was a Matthews lift at 29 inch draw, 77 pounds, shooting a 610 grain total arrow weight arrow, with a day, six Evo cut on contact 2 blade broadhead with small bleeders. My first shot was 40 yards, hit perfectly, but just a few inches high. The arrow penetrated to the opposite shoulder, but pushed back out as the bull turned to run. He did a half circle, stopping at 20 yards broadside, although he was starting to stagger to go down, I had quickly knocked anither arrow which I was abke to put thru both lungs. The 2nd arrow passed completely thru being only held in by the fletching on the exit side. The bull only traveled another 20 yards before expiring. Total time from my first arrow released to the time the bull was on the ground deceased, was 37 seconds. I did a vast amount of research on bow weight, arrow weight and set up, as well as shot placement on these animals before the hunt. Although I will say that from my research, Chris‘s arrow set up would definitely be considered on the light side, his penetration really was not the issue, as his arrows were burying fletch deep. He originally wanted to use a dead meat mechanical Broadhead, then was hoping to use the G5 Montec, but those were both declined by the outfitter. He did use a two blade cut on contact Broadhead. The reason the two blade cut on contact Broadhead are considered crucial by many experienced water, buffalo hunters, is because of the superior penetration quality. It’s not so much about the hemorrhage , as it is penetrating fully through the vital area. I watched Chris’s video a couple of times, and although he hit where he was aiming, what was the downfall for his hunt, was the placement of the arrow. Water buffalo are very similar to African animals in that their vitals sit farther forward , and the anatomy of their shoulders is very different than the North American game that most of us hunt. Although it goes against all of our instincts, the perfect placement on a water buffalo is dead center in the middle of the shoulder, right where the scapula or paddle bone would be on North American game such as deer or elk. The scapula on water buffalo sits higher, leaving a void right where the middle of the shoulder on our animals would be. Chris’s first arrow hit the “crease“, but on water Buffalo that is a liver shot at best, and very likely a gut shot animal. so really, his biggest mistake, was not knowing the anatomy of the animal he was hunting and where their vitals lay. I definitely agree, that one should know the anatomy, vital orientation, and needed shot placement of any animal that you are hunting. So, I guess, shame on him for neglecting to do his research on this. Water buffalo have extremely thick hides, actually measuring one and a half inches thick. I know this, because we actually measured the thickness of the hide on my bull. I am a taxidermist, so these types of things intrigue me. Lol They are also an extremely tough animal , that do not go down easily. I personally witnessed two hunters using large caliber rifles, shoot their respective bulls, seven and eight times. Both animals seem to be hit well with the first shot, however, the impact of the bullet, combined with the loud crack of the rifle, seems to pump these big animals full of adrenaline, and from then on, they simply just absorb one bullet after another. Interestingly, a well placed arrow through the vitals, seems to anchor these animals quicker than large caliber rifles in most cases. Just for what it’s worth, if anyone is looking for an incredible adventure, this is a phenomenal hunt extremely far removed from civilization in the far off outback halfway around the world. It’s definitely worth a look. Regards

 

[kornholio]

He’s killed multiple elk, at least one hugh moose, mnt goat, pigs and I’m sure I’m missing some stuff. pretty sure everything was with a 430ish grain arrow.
The water buff video was not a good look but I have a feeling he’s not losing any sleep over it. Probably somewhere cool as hell rn with a prototype Mathew’s in his hand on a big money hunt he didn’t pay for.

Yeah, but he did not kill a bear. He did a video of a hunt for a bear but he did not kill one or maybe he shoot it and it got away but they edited that part out. The way I see it is that bear is a tougher animal to kill than all the other stuff he shoot at. So if he wanted to hunt buffalo he should have first hunted some bears before that. There should be some rule out there that if you can not kill a bear with a bow you sure should go and try to kill a buffalo.

 

[Brysn H]

Yeah, but he did not kill a bear. He did a video of a hunt for a bear but he did not kill one or maybe he shoot it and it got away but they edited that part out. The way I see it is that bear is a tougher animal to kill than all the other stuff he shoot at. So if he wanted to hunt buffalo he should have first hunted some bears before that. There should be some rule out there that if you can not kill a bear with a bow you sure should go and try to kill a buffalo.

I completely disagree

 

[vmals]

Yeah, but he did not kill a bear. He did a video of a hunt for a bear but he did not kill one or maybe he shoot it and it got away but they edited that part out. The way I see it is that bear is a tougher animal to kill than all the other stuff he shoot at. So if he wanted to hunt buffalo he should have first hunted some bears before that. There should be some rule out there that if you can not kill a bear with a bow you sure should go and try to kill a buffalo.

Bears are not considered tough to kill especially compared to buffalo.

 

[Brysn H]

Bears are not considered tough to kill especially compared to buffalo.

completely different anatomy as well. If a successful bear hunt is your preparation for a buffalo, you’re woefully unprepared for buffalo.

 

[kornholio]

Although it goes against all of our instincts, the perfect placement on a water buffalo is dead center in the middle of the shoulder, right where the scapula or paddle bone would be on North American game such as deer or elk. The scapula on water buffalo sits higher, leaving a void right where the middle of the shoulder on our animals would be. Chris’s first arrow hit the “crease“, but on water Buffalo that is a liver shot at best, and very likely a gut shot animal. so really, his biggest mistake, was not knowing the anatomy of the animal he was hunting and where their vitals lay.

This is a really good post. I am glad you took the time to shed some light on the issue from the perspective of an experienced hunter. This is badly needed in this discussion. I totally agree with you. Chris Bee should have studied the anatomy of the Buffalo and instead of giving us the useless segment of how he traveled to Australia he could have instead talked about what he thinks is the ideal shoot placement on a buffalo.

 

[BigDeer]

This is a really good post. I am glad you took the time to shed some light on the issue from the perspective of an experienced hunter. This is badly needed in this discussion. I totally agree with you. Chris Bee should have studied the anatomy of the Buffalo and instead of giving us the useless segment of how he traveled to Australia he could have instead talked about what he thinks is the ideal shoot placement on a buffalo.

Shoot placement is the key! Korn is a great band, bangers up and down their lineup

 

[tiberiuswade2]

Looks like the video is restricted or taken down

 

[mawebb0712]

Looks like the video is restricted or taken down

Is there any other place to watch it.?

 

[Joseph762]

Is there any other place to watch it.?

Not in the origonal quality.