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In today's political environment, it seems to me more courageous than ever to associate your products with your faith. With the government and the media painting Christians as the enemy, and atheist groups starting lawsuits everywhere to remove any historical connection between faith and our country's beginnings, it becomes a sensitive issue. And here we have a deliberate decision to make a proclamation of faith on a product that you are trying to sell in the mass market. They are not selling only to Christians, they are selling to everyone, so from my POV it takes a lot of courage to put a Bible verse on the box. You should also find an "In God we Trust" sticker on the limb.

It's a good question, and I hope this thread can stay on course without degrading into an argument.

 

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I am all about freedoms, and if an Islamic company wanted to put a quote from the Koran on their packaging, that is their prerogative. I doubt it will help them sell anything, but I will support their freedom to do so.

Personally, I prefer to support businesses that similar beliefs to my own, so it is helpful to have that info.

I do find it somewhat discouraging and hypocritical when there are those that will not buy something specifically because the owner of the company is a Christian or the business expresses Biblical references, but then criticize others as "close-minded" because those people say they would not purchase from a business associated w/Islam or atheism for the same reasons. It's a two-way street, but not always seen that way.

 

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Congrats AT! I don't know very many other sites that a religious themed topic would have survived on the main thread area without being dumped into another all-purpose thread section or closed down entirely due to excessive arguing and name-calling.

I've already chimed in a few times, but I will again. I would like to know how adding a Bible verse to the outside of a box is "forcing religion" down anyone's throat. It's just a box. If you don't like it, it is easy just to throw it away and shoot the bow. Not a big deal. I am more bothered by the ridiculous number of safety warnings being shoved down my throat on. And why do food items have to shove the ingredients and expiration dates down my throat. I kid, but you get the point.

 

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...and Buster ruins the thread by running off-topic and turning into a philosophy discussion. Yes, it's an unwinnable argument from both sides. God planned it that way. :shade:

 

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When I was browsing for a new bow last year I ran across a couple companies that had faith phrases on/in advertising...skipped over them. The only reason they do that is to simply draw in another market share because they know the those that believe won't question anything...just buy it becuse god says so. Yea, like it's "gods" company.

I've never met a single person that thinks this way.

 

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Well .. the bows are awesome, but I never would have been inclined to join them in the first place, if it wasn't for the fact that they are a company rooted in their faith. I would have just been an archer using whatever bow I happen to be shooting. I do business with Muslims on a daily basis, since I'm in international sales for a drilling manufacturer. I don't have a problem with Muslims, or the member of any other faith, across the board. Like most, I am concerned with the impact radicals - of any religion, have on society, but I don't turn away from individuals because of their beliefs. There is a huge difference between your average Muslim and a member of Al-Qaeda, just like the difference between your average Christian and the WBC. People are people and deserve respect and love - period. I can though, when choosing between 2 quality products, align myself with one whose beliefs are more in line with my own, just as any Muslim, Buddhist or Atheist can do.

Ok, but the most radical "Christian" group (and I am VERY hesitant about calling them that as they are so VERY far away from Biblical teachings and have basically made up their own rules), lets say WBC because I can't think of any other ones, protests funerals and holds up anti-gay signs. Where radical muslim groups are everywhere, are following the tenets of Sharia law, and regularly kill people who don't believe as they believe and terrorize those that oppose them, kill people who call themselves gay, deny women any rights, etc. While, yes, WBC are clearly a bunch of wackos (who also vote dem), they are not anywhere near what Muslim radicals are. Inappropriate protesting vs blow up building w/innocent people...big difference.

 

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Man....it has nothing to do with this thread but there is enough blood on the hands of christians (extremists) that i would never say its a big difference. Some not that long ago.

1994 several hundred thousands killed off in Rwanda
Earlier than that catholic terror in vietnam
Catholic extermination camps in Croatia

All sad things when anything like this is done in the name of any religion- ever!

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It's a BIG difference. How many so-called "Christian" groups have military-style training camps for their children showing them how to use assault weapons and be martyrs for Allah? There aren't any.

As to your "references" the Rwanda deaths were caused by Hutus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide
Catholic extermination camps? More like Nazi allies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust
I have no idea what you are talking about w/the Viet Nam thing....

The Crusades is the typical generic answer, but that had NOTHING to do with Biblical teaching whatsoever. People abused biblical insignia and symbols and twisted the tenets of God's Word to grab and hold power for themselves.

 

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There were militant Christians, and ever worse/scarier, for many centuries. If they had bombs and guns at that time I don't think they'd have been a lot nicer than Muslims are today.

FWIW, the NAZIs, even Hitler himself, were very devout Catholics. Just an FYI. Many people like to claim otherwise, but they're lying.

You are just making things up now.

No he wasn't. That is ridiculous. What are they teaching kids these days? He was an atheist, apart from believing he was god himself. And Catholicism isn't Biblical. There are no popes mentioned on the Bible, and Mary is not holy.

 

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Sadly in my line of work i know of too many .....but again way off topic.

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So you know of too many "Christian" groups training their children how to kill for Allah? Really?


IF groups like you say are out there, the LIBERAL MEDIA would be bombing us with this info 24 hrs a day.

 

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Does it matter to which God they are killing for? Professing hate of another for To me it doesnt.....but thats just me.

Extremists on every side are an issue.

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So now you are saying you DON't know of any Christian groups that are training their children to use assault weapons and bombs to kill and die for ALLAH? Cause it certainly seemed so earlier.

S'funny (though not really) how the atheists (like the liberal media) have no problems pointing fingers at Christians for something that happened hundreds of years ago and had nothing really to do with Christianity (other than titles and symbolism), but don't like to talk about the real threats facing us. (And no, I don't mean you Garcea, you seem like a slave to political correctness and don't want to offend anyone). :shade:

 

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Catholicism was the first widespread form of Christianity and if you think Catholics aren't Christians then you're lost, man. :lol:

I suggest you read ANYTHING written by Hitler so you can see his Christianity written in his own words. He truly DESPISED atheists and sent them to the same camps he sent Jews.

Hitler, like OBAMA, pretended to be something he wasn't to woo the people. Obama pretends to be a Christian as well, but his actions show otherwise. He SHOWED one thing, and now he is instituting his Muslim philosophies he learned when he was young. Hitler came to power by pretending to be one thing, while underneath he was a different animal. Hitler's actions did not show Christian philosophy.

And you trying to comment on things you obviously know nothing about, is like me commenting on molecular biology. There is a reason why Christians don't obey the pope, go to mass, worship Mary, etc, etc... There are MANY branches of Catholicism, and where it is at now is not the same as it once was. Big differences. Same name does not mean same thing.

 

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Here's a Hitler quote for you to ponder....

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

Chew on that a while. Try ditching Wiki and read what the man actually wrote himself. Revisionist history can say anything, but stick to his own writings if you want to know what he believed.

Or try this quote from Hitler himself.....

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922

Nice try...he didn't speak English. :shade: And even so, Jesus never called for the annihilation of the Jews. So he couldn't even fake it properly.

 

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These AH quotes sound like they come straight out of the Bible - ::

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."
"It is not truth that matters, but victory."
"I use emotion for the many and reserve reason for the few."

He must have been reading the ABRIDGED version...

 

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The main point has gotten off track, hasn't it?

Yeah, I'm thinkin it has somehting to do with El Nino.

 

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The majority of the world does not, nor do they celebrate those holidays. It is not the oldest, nor the largest religion or belief regardless of the missionizing.

Wait, so the Bible isn't the most printed book in the history of the world, including the book translated in the most languages?