Is a deer shot cleanly with a crossbow less of a record than one shot in the butt with a compound? I'm not sure P&Y is relevant anymore...

 

That's not true, crossbows can be taught to anyone in seconds. They also can be shot further, benched, etc. don't even try telling me it's not true, it's a fact. Now,
Maybe another division would be the thing to do.
Here's the thing only a crook expects to be robbed. No pride in lying about using an illegal weapon just because you "feel" they should allow it.
This entitlement garbage is nonsense.
Why would you assume a buncha deer have been lied about? And who cares if that's how someone gets rocks off lying, poaching, night hunting, baiting, etc.
Bow hunting to me personally is self challenge. Who cares what the next guy does?
Start a crossbow club if the won't start a division

 

I hope to goodness P&Y NEVER gives in to the crossgun crap ....May they remain vertical and ARCHERY/BOW only ... P&Y is more relevant now than ever. ... let B&C have the crossgun idiocy since they take about anything else including ALL SHOULDER FIRED tools...... ..

 

Alt-hunters, love watching them melt for inclusion into a "BOW hunting club" not a CROSSbow hunting club.. "Boohoohoo, P&Y wont accept me, its discrimination!" They scream..

They are just like Antifa, alt-left, progressives, dems...all crying to remove traditional values and demanding acceptance.

 

yep, this is what its coming down to .... recognize me or else.....

 

I agree , P&Y is over with

 

Probably wont be long before some Crossbow shooter Demands that I allow him to come hunt with me because i dont bake him a cake and allow him to use his legal weapon on my properties..might not even be a "him"

 

Agreed, P & Y is a joke. I only shoot 140 + bucks so they make our State Record Book along with Boone & Crockett caliber bucks with my crossbow. LOL

 

I know I'm going to piss some people off but I don't care. To me crossbows are rifles with string! If you are handycapped with a doctors note fine use a Crossbow during BOW season. Or if you want to use one use it during rifle season. And no crossbow kills during BOW season should not count for P&Y.

 

There is a lot more to the Pope n Young club then there record books. To say there not relevant is just plain silly. There efforts for conservation and what they do for bowhunters is often over looked.
I often find it comical how a nonmember thinks they can tell a club what they should do. If you want to have a say then join and be a member.

 

Agreed.
And, P&Y has always been based on the honor system.
WTH does Xbows have to do with that?!!
I have an idea... start a Xbow records club, why don't ya.

 

In fact, I would bet there are a ton of deer with Pope and Young creditionals that were killed with a gun. Personally, I think they will have to eventually allow crossbow kills to keep themselves relevant because more and more people are starting to use crossbows, and there is no way to make people adhere to the honor system when they submit their deer..

These two statements sum up that you have no idea about the P&Y club.

Maybe you should look into Buckmasters.

 

You are absolutely correct, Pope and Young has a lot more to offer to the sport of bow hunting then just a record book. However, a lot of people do not care about anything but the record book and that is what I was trying to get across.

 

Listen. My son is 3 and I want him in archery. I've purchased all his brothers bows that can draw them. If his first buck comes by way of crossbow and it gets him in the sport, who cares? Does it really matter to you how someone finds the sport of archery? I found it as shotgun and muzzleloading got boring to me. Who cares if P&Y puts in crossbow records? Does it really hurt you? That person still had to pay attention to all the things bowhunters do and get close enough to pull the trigger. Traditional bowhunters probably think the same about us compound bow shooters...that it's in a sense cheating. Well guess what? Technology changes things. What does it truly matter, they still had to get close enough to shoot and to me, that's good enough. It's not like they are shooting them in the neck from 300 yards. A twig will throw their shot off just like it will ours.


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Geez op you opened a can of worms here . Good ole AT ask a simple question and take a beat down.. Lol don't take it personal this happens everyday all day on here.


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As long as there are cheaters with big egos, there will be animals listed in P&Y that were not taken they way the hunter said. There will be high fence animals listed, deer shot with gun or cross bow listed a bow kill. Sad but true.

 

I agree. I also think there are better thing to be concerned about, things I can change for the better.

 

Excuse me, the last post was meant only first part for quotes party. My apologies.

 

Second part I think was swamp fox rebuttal

 

Pope & Young......

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Pope & Young......

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P&Y won't let them in. They have B&C and state records to put their gun kills in. P&Y is and will always be for BOWHUNTERS!!

 

Are you 16? You make me laugh how you pound your chest screaming that you are a BOWHUNTER!! Whatever it takes to stroke your ego and make you feel better about yourself.


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That is what traditional bow hunters used to say... Then P&Y let in 50% now 80%. Soon as they have the membership drop off cross bows will be legal.

 

Those of us that are older remember all of this when compound bows came out. It's like here we go again. The traditional archers were just as down on compound bows as compound people are on crossbows. It's funny to see history repeating itself.

 

Yup Canvas: some worry about feed, high fence, crossbows and don't even think about those who gave us the opportunity to hunt. "THE MILITARY"

Thank You for your service!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

OP twice you have brought up that P and Y needed crossbow hunters to be relevant.
With an estimated 3.5 million bowhunters in the US in 2010. A membership of ruffly 7000 members they need more bowhunters to be more relevant. I don't really see the need for crossbow hunters in P and Y to continue to be relevant.

As for crossbow kills in the P and Y book. There probably already are some. My question is why would some one shoot an animal with a crossbow and enter it in P and Y? If a crossbow hunter wants his animal in a book. There is B and C as well as SCI. There is also the novel idea of creating a crossbow club.

Like I said earlier. Way to many people associate P and Y with there record book and not look at what they do for conservation and fighting for bowhunters rights. What about the contributions to archery in the schools?


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I am not saying tha Pope and Young the assocation itself is irreverent, just their record book itself. Most of the people that I have talked to only care about the record book. Probably just so they can say they have a Pope and Young deer on their wall and nothing more. Yes I agree that Pope and Young is a great benefit to bow hunting beyond the record book.

 

I don't pay much attention to P&Y club. I have a few animals that would qualify, but have not entered them an will not. It's just not my thing. If others want to enter theirs, have at it and enjoy.
I suspect that there are cross bow and gun killed deer in P&Y already, though they are claimed as bow shot. Cheaters will cheat and some won't get caught.

 

Some folks post hero pics on here and lie about how that deer was killed....

 

Tagged for later. Gotta go do some Bowhunting first.

 

On a hunt that has an average success rate of 90-100%. Hmm, sounds like shooting fish in a barrel. But there will be hero shots posted and guys slapping your back telling you how great you are.
But, I am sure there is more to this hunt than the final kill. I bet guys who hunt with a crossbow feel the same. If the only thing that is important to a person is the weapon they use, you are missing out on the big picture. I am at a point in my life and hunting career where when I hunt, I don't care if I shoot anything. If I do, it's a bonus and the cherry on top of my hunt.


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I could care less. I bet there are a lot of people out there that do not care to register there deer that would make it into the record books. I have shot a couple that are well over the mark, but don't care enough to enter them.

 

I personally think compound should be listed separate from trad. Traditionalist have earned it and just so you know I hunt with a compound. So no bias here. The tool is what makes it different. I think crossbow kills should be recognized but in their own category or like others have said start their own group. Just my 2 cents

 

You guys are funny. It's obvious most here have never actually put an animal into the Pope & Young record book. The measurers I have known take their job very seriously so good luck lying your way through the process. I think you guys need to actually shoot a deer with a bow and go through the P&Y entry process before you comment here.

 

P&Y is an outstanding org. P&Y wont include non-bowhunting weapons (crossbows, muzzloaders, etc) since is a bowhunting org. One needs only educate themselves about P&Y to understand that crossbows cannot and will not ever be included. Again, its a bowhunting org so to suggest they would allow non-bowhunting weapons is just plain silly.

Read this to get an understanding of P&Y.

http://www.pope-young.org/bowhunting/principles.asp

And from their definitions

" The following shall not be considered a hunting bow:

a.) A crossbow.

b.) Any device with a gun-type stock or incorporating any device or mechanism that holds the bowstring at partial or full draw without the shooter’s muscle power."

Again, P&Y is for bowhunters and bowhunting so any discussion of crossbows is silly since crossbows are not a bowhunting tool and their users are not bowhunters. Just like this forum has a place for bowhunters and bowhunting and a separate place on AT for crossbowers and crossbow hunting. I think the crossbowers already have their own records books for what they do.

 

Also can't be shorter than 30 inches