I shoot a Beiter Scope with just their crosshair insert that my wife painted orange, and I enjoy that sight picture (i.e. a thin crosshair that I can stare through into the target) much better than a standard fiber optic pin (which has to cover a portion of the target)
The Axcel crosshair has a circle in the center for a pin to sit, and wasn't able to get a comfortable sight picture with it and a pin ring or using it by itself.
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