Now, this is interesting......

I use the old rope method but that is getting more and more difficult with modern riser design.

 

I have used the Pro Balancer and still like to shoot the bow and adjust the weights. I believe Nut & Bolts has a system to set up stabs and this is how I set up the stabs on the last few bows that my family shoots and works out real well also.

 

The pro bow balancer is an excellent tool to get you very close to perfect. But that being said after your bow is balanced in the jig, you then shoot and may have to fine tune based on your particular grip. The balancer does work well and saves a lot of time. A must have if your a bow tuner and have to balance someone else's bow without their presence.

 

It makes sense that this would work well for a "tuner" that doesn't have access to the shooter when balancing the bow. As a starting point it would make sense, and the price is probably right for someone that tunes 50+ bows a year professionally.

Thanks for the feedback, great way to live up to your already stellar reputation.

 

I do not shoot my bow balanced that way.

I balance my bow to aim well and hold well during that process. Then stay put best it can when I fire it.

 

I just looked at the price.... Never mind.

 

I got the same question and the same thought. I draw back and now I pulling back with about 15 pounds of back tension
just to keep the bow at full draw, when I execute I pull back a little bit more to activate my release. How does this back pull effect the balance?

I'm with gjstudt on this one...

 

Yeap for someone that tunes his own equipment I think I'm right there with you.

 

I would have to agree with gjstudt, after all they are called stabilizers not balancers. It is to stabilize your aim, not to balance the bow. I can hold the bow in my hand and see if it is balanced, but to help stabilize my aim during the dynamics of being at full draw is an entirely different story. It requires a great deal of experimenting. But that is just my opinion and will no doubt differ from others.

 

you don't shoot your bow with the string in a horizontal position and you don't balance your bow to make the string level when at brace. the tool is a gimmick, designed to prey on the average shooters lack of understanding what the term "balance" means in archery.
if you disagree with this statement, present some reasonably scientific argument to support your disagreement,....I will be all ears.

 

I think Ault said it perfectly... It is used as a starting point for a tuner that has no access to the person shooting the bow. The idea is a tuner will start with a balanced bow before draw and the shooter tunes according to his own float pattern.

 

i would like to try one out.

 

If only it were that easy ...
I dont see how it can even be a starting point. Not even ball park. There is nothing that makes it shooter specific.
Its a product that will be used almost exclusively by shady shop owners who are more than willing to take the not so experienced shooters money !

"Professional Bow Balancer .... " $60 Pro balance set up ...

Kinda like the yucks who charge for a Hooter Shooter tune , and don't have the thing anchored to the ground and use shop arrows ...

 

the condition of balance that a pro bow establishes is so far removed from what the condition of balance we use in archery is, that using one will actually make it harder to establish the right condition afterwards. a bow that is balanced on a pro bow, is nowhere near "balanced' as a starting point for the purpose of shooting the bow. the balance is completely wrong...90 degrees out of quadrant and has no implication to what a bow's balance has to be. the only good it does is to establish the bow's balance for when you're carrying the bow.

 

To shoot at your BEST...
using RESULTS based tuning....

my bow is NO WHERE near "balanced".







Hanging from the ceiling with practically nothing on the bow.

 

Sooo,
using a bit of "magic",
using my Stabilizer SETUP in THREE Moves...method...

this is where I END up.



WAY WAY WAY out of balance,
and SERIOUSLY front heavy.

 

SERIOUSLY SIDEWAYS heavy on one side.

IF I tried to "balance" my bow,
it would fall out of the cradle...practically.



RISER lean is WAY over-rated on ArcheryTalk...
I mean,
TOP AXLE lean is WAY over-rated on ArcheryTalk....

wait,
I still don't have that right.

 

My DST 40 is also BOTTOM HEAVY,
but only on ONE side of the limb bolt.

RESULTS based tuning.

 

RESULTS...

when my bow is BOTTOM heavy on ONE side of the bottom limb bolt...

when my bow is SERIOUSLY OUT OF BALANCE SIDEWAYS heavy to one side

when my bow is SERIOUSLY OUT OF BALANCE, and FRONT heavy.

Come on folks,
just hit the practice range
and start shooting
and TESTING
and VERIFYING..

and FINDING your sweet spot for FRONT heaviness
and FINDING your SWEET SPOT for SIDE heaviness.

When you like your results,
then,
and ONLY then,
have your arrived.

What is my starting point?

RIGHT HERE.



No front stick
and no side stick.

That is EVERYONE's starting point.

 

Come on folks,
just hit the practice range
and start shooting
and TESTING
and VERIFYING..

....

This ^^^^

Static bow balance provides no more useful information that static arrow spine. Maybe less.

If you aren't shooting your bow, it's all just theory. Good to know, but it won't get you any trophys or venison.

Allen

 

Don't have a recipe for what next?

Try my STABILIZER SETUP in THREE moves.


START
(see below)



After STEP 1 of my recipe..results from one of my ONLINE STUDENTS.
(see below)



After STEP 2 of my recipe..results from one of my ONLINE STUDENTS.
(see below)



After STEP 3 of my recipe..results from one of my ONLINE STUDENTS.
(see below)


Each target
is 30 shots,
with ONE arrow in his quiver.

 

what I do is take the bow with the site on it only with all the axis set.

I shoot some scores with it like this. I get what I call my base line float, and my base line score.
for me bare bow with my float its a 295 -299 with X count in the low 40's on the 5 spot.
now I add stabilizers and weights to improve on that. If I add all the stuff and cannot improve on my base line,
then do I really need all the stuff??? I find out however it's a never ending thing, older I get, the stuff has to change to hang on to what I had.. I would not say my setup ends up balanced at all, but it is where it has to be to improve on the base line..

 

I have the Pro Balancer and it is just another tool to get you to a starting point, not an end to all means!
I like to have my bow, or any bow, starting in a "neutral" condition where as I can then start playing with weights and bar lengths to find out what works best for ME!
Not you, or him, or her, but ME, because I am the only one that shoots like I do!
So, like Alan (Nuts & Bolts) says: just go to the range and shoot!

 

allot less actually,....at least with static spine, it's numerical value will give you an idea of how soft or hard the shaft will flex on the shot.