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So i have a hard time keepin pin on target. I am shooting a 31" draw elite e35. Prior to this i shot a 31.5 draw elite pure. This new bow i can not shoot near as good. My question is can i twist up cables and untwist string to get my 1/2 longer draw back? It is hard to find long draw bows.
 

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So i have a hard time keepin pin on target. I am shooting a 31" draw elite e35. Prior to this i shot a 31.5 draw elite pure. This new bow i can not shoot near as good. My question is can i twist up cables and untwist string to get my 1/2 longer draw back? It is hard to find long draw bows.
31-inch draw FITS, is actually a skosh TOO LONG.
U are just MASSIVELY out of position for a DOWNHILL pointing arrow.
U are leaning backwards when the arrow is pointing downhill.

THIS is how you shoot a downhill pointing arrow. U lean FORWARDS, not backwards.



when you lean FORWARDS properly,
and when you COMPLETELY take out the bend in the left elbow,
you will resemble this DOCTORED up photo and the string actually runs a bit BEHIND tip of nose.

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31-inch draw FITS, is actually a skosh TOO LONG.
U are just MASSIVELY out of position for a DOWNHILL pointing arrow.
U are leaning backwards when the arrow is pointing downhill.

THIS is how you shoot a downhill pointing arrow. U lean FORWARDS, not backwards.



when you lean FORWARDS properly,
and when you COMPLETELY take out the bend in the left elbow,
you will resemble this DOCTORED up photo and the string actually runs a bit BEHIND tip of nose.

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Interesting, i will play with my stance. There really is no downhill here, maybe a 2° grade to a target at 20yds
 

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Interesting, i will play with my stance. There really is no downhill here, maybe a 2° grade to a target at 20yds
The ARROW is pointing downhill, while you are standing on level ground.
So, if you point the ARROW below horizontal,
you need to lean FORWARDS not backwards.

So, when you lean FORWARDS, so the left armpit is FORWARDS of the left hip
when you KILL the bend in the left elbow
the draw will end up slightly TOO LONG.

UPPER BODY needs to swing FORWARDS about 10-inches.

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Standing on level ground is irrelevant.

If the target bullseye is BELOW shoulder height,
if target bullseye is 12-inches above the ground
then, that means the ARROW is pointing downhill.

So, when the ARROW is pointing downhill, a negative launch angle...
your UPPER body must lean FORWARDS. The lenses on your eyeglasses,
need to swing FORWARDS 8-10 inches.

Your tip of the right elbow, needs to swing FORWARDS 6-inches
and the tip of your right elbow needs to swing UP 1-inch.

RED outline shows you where your body needs to swing FORWARDS.
The bow needs to push 6-7 inches CLOSER to the target.

Look at your LEFT armpit. IN before photo,
your LEFT armpit is BEHIND your left hip.

Need to reverse this. LEFT armpit should be FORWARDS of your left hip and left ankle.

I completely killed the bend in your left elbow.

LEFT shoulder is SKY HIGH, cuz you are leaning BACKWARDS
when the arrow launch angle is NEGATIVE (below horizontal).

So, in the doctored photo, I dropped the left collar bone and got tops of TWO shoulders parallel to the arrow LAUNCH angle. The bow is NOT too short.

You are just WAY WAY WAY out of position,
to fire an arrow with a NEGATIVE launch angle (firing at a target on the grass).
 

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Alan, how does straightening the bow arm make someone's draw length shorter? I played with draw length on my ec cammed pse, and shortening the draw length made me have to bend that elbow more or do something else to fold up. I'm genuinely asking, because that makes no sense to me after trying it myself.
 

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The ARROW is pointing downhill, while you are standing on level ground.
So, if you point the ARROW below horizontal,
you need to lean FORWARDS not backwards.

So, when you lean FORWARDS, so the left armpit is FORWARDS of the left hip
when you KILL the bend in the left elbow
the draw will end up slightly TOO LONG.

UPPER BODY needs to swing FORWARDS about 10-inches.

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Standing on level ground is irrelevant.

If the target bullseye is BELOW shoulder height,
if target bullseye is 12-inches above the ground
then, that means the ARROW is pointing downhill.

So, when the ARROW is pointing downhill, a negative launch angle...
your UPPER body must lean FORWARDS. The lenses on your eyeglasses,
need to swing FORWARDS 8-10 inches.

Your tip of the right elbow, needs to swing FORWARDS 6-inches
and the tip of your right elbow needs to swing UP 1-inch.

RED outline shows you where your body needs to swing FORWARDS.
The bow needs to push 6-7 inches CLOSER to the target.

Look at your LEFT armpit. IN before photo,
your LEFT armpit is BEHIND your left hip.

Need to reverse this. LEFT armpit should be FORWARDS of your left hip and left ankle.

I completely killed the bend in your left elbow.

LEFT shoulder is SKY HIGH, cuz you are leaning BACKWARDS
when the arrow launch angle is NEGATIVE (below horizontal).

So, in the doctored photo, I dropped the left collar bone and got tops of TWO shoulders parallel to the arrow LAUNCH angle. The bow is NOT too short.

You are just WAY WAY WAY out of position,
to fire an arrow with a NEGATIVE launch angle (firing at a target on the grass).
Thanks i get what you are saying, and respect your opinion. Didnt think about the target being on the grass and 4 feet below my shoulders. I will redo with a foward tilt to torso.
 

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Thanks i get what you are saying, and respect your opinion. Didnt think about the target being on the grass and 4 feet below my shoulders. I will redo with a foward tilt to torso.
Try the forwards tilt. Kill the bend in the elbow.
You will hold MUCH MUCH more steady. See how you like the feel of your shot with the adjusted forwards tilt.
Groups should tighten significantly.
 

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If you make the change that Alan suggests . . in my opinion it should/will feel quite unnatural and uncomfortable (for a while) until your muscle memory adapts. If it feels completely comfortable initially you probably haven’t made much of a change. Usually a picture is the best way to know if you’ve actually made the change correctly.
 
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