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I was reading Idiot Proof Archery by Bernie Pellerite and used his draw length equation, I came up with a 26 inch DL as of now I have a 25.5 inch DL with a loop on my 05 Alligiance. Should I change my cams to the 26 inch E9 cam or should I stay with what I have it will cost me $40 for a cam exchange at one of my pro shops.
 

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Like they said, if you are shooting fine... leave it alone... A little short is much better than long. Hunting you actually may want it a little short due to heavy coats etc.
 

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Shoot what you have. The loop adds to the total you stretch out. You sure don't want to overstretch.
 

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Traven said:
I was reading Idiot Proof Archery by Bernie Pellerite and used his draw length equation, I came up with a 26 inch DL as of now I have a 25.5 inch DL with a loop on my 05 Alligiance. Should I change my cams to the 26 inch E9 cam or should I stay with what I have it will cost me $40 for a cam exchange at one of my pro shops.
Traven:

Allow me to say I have not read "Idiot Proof Archery",
so all of my information is with all due respect to Bernie
and is based on my own research.

Draw length is defined this way...



It is used to refer to a bow setting,
which basically sets the peep sight a certain distance
away from your shooting eye.

I like to teach that the bow draw length setting
is just like a rifle stock.

A rifle stock is designed to set the lens of the rifle
scope the same distance away from your shooting eye.

Assuming your keep the bend in your bow arm elbow
the same, every time you shoot,
then the bow draw length setting works
just like a rifle stock.

The length of the d-loop
does not change where the peep sight is located
from your shooting eye.

The length of the d-loop does have an effect
on where your release hand ends up on your face.

The length of the neck on your release,
also has an effect on where your hand ends up on your face.

So, the d-loop size
and the neck length of your release are very important,
to how well you will shoot your bow,
but both of these has ZERO effect on the bow draw length setting.



I believe what you are referring to,
is the the combination of:

a) bow draw length setting

AND

b) d-loop length

AND

c) release neck length

all affect how a bow will fit the shooter.

There is one more thing that you did not mention,
and I don't know if Bernie mentions in his book....

that is shoulder angle in relation to the arrow
when at full draw.

Take a look at these 3 pictures
of 2nd Nature.



By adjusting your foot position,
and rotating the entire body clockwise (for a RH shooter),
the bow shoulder in picture No. 1 is very far away from the arrow
when at full draw.

When your shoulders are aimed way left of the target,
you can fit a much shorter DL bow setting.


When you look at picture No. 2,
the bow shoulder is much closer to the arrow
when at full draw. 2nd Nature just adjusted
his feet and rotated his entire body clockwise,
and got the bow shoulder a little closer to the arrow
when at full draw.

The net effect is that he has increased the distance
between the grip and his chin. Now, 2nd Nature
fits a slightly longer bow draw length setting.


Now look at picture No. 3.
2nd Nature has adjusted his foot position again.
He has rotated his entire body a little more clockwise.
His bow shoulder is much closer to the arrow when at full draw.
He has increased the distance from the grip to his chin AGAIN,
and is now shooting rather well.

So, the bow draw length setting
that fits YOU, is entirely dependent
on what your OVERHEAD picture looks like.

Depending on what you do with your body position,
and your feet, and where your bow shoulder is located
in relation to the arrow at full draw,
you could fit a bow draw length setting range of
over 2-inches.

I have my theories about what bow shoulder position
works best for a shooter, whether they are a target shooter
or a hunter.

So, it depends.

 

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Nuts&Bolts that is some great info, I will take that into consideration, I may need to post a pic and have some of you guys take a look, Thanks everyone
 

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Every internet "measuring chart" or formula I have seen for determining a draw length, has been long by 1".
That doesn't include nuts & bolts howeve. :wink:

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Thanks, N&B for the pictures and a good explanation. I am a student of Benies and I believe his book basically, states that the majority of shooter are shooting too long of a draw. I was. He very much advocates shooting a shorter draw.

I have open my stance for target shooting and I use a 28.5" draw length now. My wingspan by his book and other charts show me to be about 1" to 3/4" short now. I am not changing it!!!!!!!!

Believe me, If you are shooting well, stay where you are at!!!!!
 
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