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I have heard guys talk about not wanting any "creep" in their release trigger, but I have really grown to love my dual stage trigger on my AR.

Why is it that they don't make an archery release with a dual stage trigger? (Or maybe they do?) I really like the idea of being able to pre-load the trigger before I shoot. It might be a mental thing, but I think it would help guys with punching the trigger also.

What do you think?
 

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Not sure bout now, but Feinwerkbau made the Viper 1 wrist-strap release using the same trigger mechanism as their air rifles with a full range of adjustments and had a dedicated dry fire mechanism.

Not mine, but here are pix of a loaned model. While it looked huge and chunky, it actually nestled in my small Asian hand very nicely!












It had as many adjustments as the AR trigger.


All that precision costed though ... somewhere in the region of US$400+. You best bet back then was to write in directly to Feinwerkbau for stocks and the best price.

The trigger itself went fairly light - maxed at somewhere around 200 gms if I recall correctly.
 

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Not sure bout now, but Feinwerkbau made the Viper 1 wrist-strap release using the same trigger mechanism as their air rifles with a full range of adjustments and had a dedicated dry fire mechanism.

Not mine, but here are pix of a loaned model. While it looked huge and chunky, it actually nestled in my small Asian hand very nicely!

All that precision costed though ... somewhere in the region of US$400+. You best bet back then was to write in directly to Feinwerkbau for stocks and the best price.

The trigger itself went fairly light - maxed at somewhere around 200 gms if I recall correctly.
Dang. Is it really that hard to make a release with a dual stage trigger? :eek: That thing is huge!
 

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I like your thinking, but wonder if in a hunting situation it might be too easy to accidentally fire early because of excitement. I would love to try something like that for targets though. I too like the 2 stage on an AR.
 

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Well I am a socialist so take my opinion for what it is worth (since you obviously judge others based on their political affiliations) but I set my Stan SX-2 up this way. On that release you can adjust both travel and tension. When you set the travel long and the tension a bit heavy you end up with a two stage trigger.

I thought this trigger was great for backtension because you could positively load up on it.

Just my "socialist" opinion,

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I've often thought a Savage "Accu-trigger" would be sweet for a hand release..

pull enough to set the first stage .. and keep pullin' ... why not?

It really seems a no brainer since Savage owns Bowtech ...

The Savage Release.... Absolutely a no-brainer ...
 

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I must be wrong. I thought that socialist wanted to help everyone out but I can't find one that wants to send me their money. I will change my name to government if that will help.

Back to triggers. It seems that triggers with a lot of movement are just to hard to control when shooting a bow. Most people just don't seem to have the mental toughness to slowly squeeze a trigger but instead want to have the trigger fire with no perceivable movement. I think that one reason very little movement is desired is because almost all movement will make the sight move off target since bows are not fired using a sand bag for a rest.

I use a hinge release with a clicker. In a sense this is a two stage trigger. I draw the bow and then get to the clicker. This take some movement and settling in. Once at the clicker there is no perceivable movement until the release fires. So maybe a trigger that would move freely to a click and then not move until a good deal of pressure was applied and then with no motion would just fire might be a good thing.

One way to look at the regular trigger is that the first stage is just getting your finger on the trigger and the second stage is increasing pressure until the trigger fires. Also IMO no movement is a good thing.
 

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To put it as short and simple as I can......if you can feel the trigger move you can anticipate the release. Anticipation of the shot leafds to punching and target panic in time. And if your fingers are sensitive enough to tell the difference in thickness of one or two sheets of thin paper, then you can feel (and anticipate) the slightest trigger movement.

Go ahead.....make one. I won't get within 10' of it. :eek:
 

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Well I am a socialist so take my opinion for what it is worth (since you obviously judge others based on their political affiliations) but I set my Stan SX-2 up this way. On that release you can adjust both travel and tension. When you set the travel long and the tension a bit heavy you end up with a two stage trigger.

I thought this trigger was great for backtension because you could positively load up on it.

Just my "socialist" opinion,

Mason
I was mostly joking or taking a dig at the OP's handle, cause it says "democrat=socialist" which I dislike as much as a lot of you would dislike some untrue slogans such as "meat=murder" or "Republican=Racist" but whatever it is completely besides the point especially because we both agree that a two stage trigger would be a good idea.

You can (or at least on my SX-2) set the release like a dual stage trigger. I shoot it with back tension and it helps me confidently put my thumb into the trigger.

You place your thumb on the trigger and squeeze a bit and the trigger moves until it hits a hard wall, from this point there is no movement in the trigger. Once you have taken up the first stage slack you know it is ready to fire and execute back tension, much like a clicker. This happens as you are coming to anchor. If you were doing this while you were aiming it would be a complete waste.

The point (I think) of a two stage trigger is so you positively engage the trigger and then fire (using whatever means) when ready. A good trigger would have no movement once the first stage was taken up. It would simply allow you to confidently dig you finger into the trigger.

WORKERS OF THE WORLD, UNITE!!!!

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with the release options we have today there's absolutely no need for a dual stage trigger. if your shooting fundamentals are sound there isn't any need for a dual stage trigger.
 

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After years of shooting high grade match triggers on rifles, I would love the equivalent in an archery release.
My wrist releases work like the second stage, so I can hold tension on them with the first pad on my index finger, and then squeeze off the shot when required, but a first stage would be sweet.

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I wanted a 2 stage, like a few others I spent my youth with rifles (as well as bows), even contacted Feinwerkbau, sadly its not made anymore.

I now use a Truball BT as a 2 stager, up to the click is 1, and the break is 2nd. I just altered (with alot of practice) my mind methodology into fitting the 2 stage princable into the BT method.
 

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Slim, I learned to "really" shoot with a Fletchmatic with the spring trigger. The spring acted much like a 2-stage. Load and pull. The nice thing about it was that in the beginning when I was a little punchy I'd just blow right through the trigger and I'd have to start over and execute correctly.
 

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Slim, I learned to "really" shoot with a Fletchmatic with the spring trigger. The spring acted much like a 2-stage. Load and pull. The nice thing about it was that in the beginning when I was a little punchy I'd just blow right through the trigger and I'd have to start over and execute correctly.
That makes a lot of sense. Maybe I will try a release with a spring trigger.
 

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I was mostly joking or taking a dig at the OP's handle, cause it says "democrat=socialist" which I dislike as much as a lot of you would dislike some untrue slogans such as "meat=murder" or "Republican=Racist" but whatever it is completely besides the point especially because we both agree that a two stage trigger would be a good idea.

You can (or at least on my SX-2) set the release like a dual stage trigger. I shoot it with back tension and it helps me confidently put my thumb into the trigger.

You place your thumb on the trigger and squeeze a bit and the trigger moves until it hits a hard wall, from this point there is no movement in the trigger. Once you have taken up the first stage slack you know it is ready to fire and execute back tension, much like a clicker. This happens as you are coming to anchor. If you were doing this while you were aiming it would be a complete waste.

The point (I think) of a two stage trigger is so you positively engage the trigger and then fire (using whatever means) when ready. A good trigger would have no movement once the first stage was taken up. It would simply allow you to confidently dig you finger into the trigger.

WORKERS OF THE WORLD, UNITE!!!!

Mason
I am going to ignore the political jargon for the sake of my sanity. Lol.

You described exactly why I would want at dual stage trigger. This is exactly why I never pull the trigger poorly when I am aiming to hit something with my AR. I would love the ability to "get into" the trigger.
 

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I am going to ignore the political jargon for the sake of my sanity. Lol.

You described exactly why I would want at dual stage trigger. This is exactly why I never pull the trigger poorly when I am aiming to hit something with my AR. I would love the ability to "get into" the trigger.
Jargon Aside :darkbeer:

Anyway I hit upon setting up the SX2 like this on accident I adjusted the tension but didn't adjust the travel and it moved and then stopped hard on a wall and there was no movement from there.

I usually shoot the hinge for targets but if someone made a good quality 2 stage wrist strap it would be on my wrist come fall.

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To put it as short and simple as I can......if you can feel the trigger move you can anticipate the release. Anticipation of the shot leafds to punching and target panic in time. And if your fingers are sensitive enough to tell the difference in thickness of one or two sheets of thin paper, then you can feel (and anticipate) the slightest trigger movement.

Go ahead.....make one. I won't get within 10' of it. :eek:
Not exactly true with a 2 stage trigger. I don't punch my AR trigger.

with the release options we have today there's absolutely no need for a dual stage trigger. if your shooting fundamentals are sound there isn't any need for a dual stage trigger.
So your saying there is no room for improvement or possible change that would work great for many people? :doh:
 

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Not exactly true with a 2 stage trigger. I don't punch my AR trigger.
I feel like I would be less likely to punch a dual stage trigger. I never punch my AR unless I am trying to shoot rapidly. And I feel like it makes focusing on the target easier due to being able to "get into" the trigger, then start aiming. Maybe it's a mental thing. Hence why I am looking for a dual stage trigger on a release.

I will be honest, I fight with punching the trigger once in awhile. The way I was taught recently to "activate" the trigger (in the one lesson I have had) was to pre-load about 50% of the trigger pressure it takes to activate the trigger, then pull .5 lb. at a time until I am just about to make it go. Then utilize the tension in the back of my right shoulder and back muscles to shoot. It works well but the target panic gets to me once in awhile. I do drills for that but it's constant upkeep to stay on top of my game.

I really like the spring trigger idea for training. Seems like it would be the exact same concept and function.

I can't see how anyone would say that a dual stage trigger is a bad idea. I could see how you might not like it, but saying it's a bad idea for everyone seems narrowminded. But what do I know, I just a right-wing nut job that thinks most Republican politicians are worthless. :eek: Oh yeah, no political jargon.
 
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