Aren't these guys always preaching "United not divided "

 

Until it starts cutting into their personal bottom lines or egos, then its every man for himself

 

Well -- they way I see it, its all a MONEY GRAB!! -- Who is going to pay me more for what I do -- Cam has been loyal to Hoyt and signed a life time contract -- Where Dudley has shot for and used every bow in the industry, granted hes a great shot and a fantastic archer, but loyalty is worth more than money -- my word my bond -- I lost faith in both of them -- more dudley than Cam, -- it seems to me that Cam is more on the level -- remember, this is MY Opinion, agree or disagree -- Im still going hunting tomorrow.

AJP

 

If you sign a contract, you honor your agreement til it expires. Thats how it works
Dud did what he was paid to do and then moved on (either by his choice of PSEs)
He was a good ambassador for PSE and i think they go their moneys worth out of him

If Cam found himself in hot water, Hoyt would drop him tomorrow, just as Cam would, if a big enough pay cheque came along
Loyalty doesn't pay your mortgage

Expecting someone to stay loyal to a bow company for life is like never dating again after you high school sweetheart dumps you

 

They wear size 8 caps.....🙄

 

Sorry but I'm a Waddell fan..The guy can downright call in some Elk!

 

Definitely rather hang out or talk with with Waddell compared to the other two. I like Dudley's how to videos, but can't stand to hear him talk. Never followed or paid attention to Cam too much.

 

What if their field is building their brand?

Yeah, true. Then, yes.

Well, Hanes has the shooting your bow shirtless while sitting at your dining room table sipping a cup of coffee audience on lock

His audience is people that like watching him shirtless?

 

All about the money not gear

 

I like Allen. Great guy. Goes by one name like Prince. Those of you who are old enough to remember and shop at walmart because you ain't got a pot to pi$$ in will know who he is. He get's 'er done. Wish Athens would pick him up as a shooter.

 

I still didn’t shoot Allen and who needs a pot to piss in when you can pee pretty much anywhere you want.

 

I'm getting tired of TV hunting shows. They've really hurt the western draw success for NR.

 

I got tired of hunting shows about 10 years ago and at the time the YouTube shows were a breath of fresh air. Bowhunt or Die, for example, was just a collection of guys going out on hunts. I started watching Bowhunt or Die when they were just a Roku app. They may have had light sponsors or affiliates but it wasn't pushed and they all had day jobs.

It didn't take long for the YouTube shows to turn into what the Outdoor Channel shows were. Mathews, Lancaster Archery and Tethrd now control that show and if they still have day jobs I don't know how they keep them.

I loved Dudley. He presented excellent teaching and good hunts. When he started slapping Nock On on everything his teaching got less and he started getting a little old man get off my lawn.

When Chris Bee started out and was a Hoyt shooter he had a lot of content in target archery and filmed hunts. When he went to Mathews he shot a few 3Ds and phased that out. When Ultra View kicked in and he got in with the booked hunting company, he turned into a big commercial as well.

Up until recently Cam Hanes kept his day job and to me stayed down to earth. Yeah he was sponsored by Hoyt and Under Armor, Origin, etc but I wonder how he will be now that he no longer has a day job.

I get it, it's how these guys make a living but if they want to keep making a living doing this they need to find some type of balance. It started with DVDs/VHS tapes and then went to Outdoor Channel, then YouTube/Instagram. Each one seemed to be like building a stove fire with pine - it catches quick, burns hot, but burns out fast. I wonder what medium is coming that makes YouTube obsolete and catches fire.

 

How about let’s all stop clicking that bait? Who needs to see these guys kill another deer? I don’t! I admit I watched them all at one time but I stopped..I refuse to click ! Of course Levi ,Hanes,Dudley, and now Bee ,Elkshape shorty will all kill nice deer..who cares? Don’t give them what they want! The click!! It’s become ridiculous! They are all salesmen! Smoked ‘em ,on to the next one, Smoked’em on to the next ! Wow we worked hard for that!! Let’s go to public and **** that up for more clicks!! Stop clicking! It adds up…it’s an addiction I know..we all love seeing deer get whacked! Fight harder! Don’t give them your click!! If enough people stop it will add up!! I am not infallible, I still like the new bow reviews..Lucas is awesome and does a review not a sales pitch..MFJJ‘s reviews are good too..just facts …the untamed and stick boys have some killer filmed hunts and the sales have not spoiled them…as of yet! I will never click on the big names again!! Refuse! Resist! God Bless the Bowhunters!!

 

I think the burden is wider spread as well. Hunting Public anyone? among many many others. Over the last decade the number of people posting hunting content online has gone way way up. You no longer have to have a TV deal and 10 minutes of commercials for your 15 minute episode to air content. The result of that has been more people interested in hunting. Its a catch 22. Public ground is more crowded, but there's also more hunters. The latter is a pretty big deal. So the same people being complained about are also I think adding a lot of people to the sport. If I take a step back its turning into "get off my lawn". I understand it sucks for public to be crowded, I live in a state where public is a good way to get shot, and all the decent ones are draws to even hunt deer... it stinks, if you want to hunt you either need to have friends/family or lease land. Should we complain that Dudley has brought tons of new people into the sport? Should we complain that Cam has inspired thousands of people to get in better shape and hunt elk as well as introduced hunting as a passion to the general public? Should we complain that Hunting Public has shown people you don't have to have high priced outfitters and a $5k archery rig to successfully kill deer on public land? I agree that Joe has achieved things to the point, his reality and my reality are quite different.

 

I like cam he has earned his stripes joe on the other hand has not imo Joe knows jack all about hunting he is good at killing and shooting. Joe has had the best hunters in the world hold his hand and take him to some great places. Take Joe to some place he has never been and tell him go figure it out my bet is he won’t do so good. Maybe I’m wrong. He has got more folks into hunting and archery which is great but Joe really has no clue about the public land hustle. Yes he has earned his way with hard work etc. and I don’t fault him for it but can’t stand to hear him talk about hunting like he has been doing it all his life when he has been spoon fed animals to shoot. He has no idea what’s it like to deal with pressure in the woods.. let me follow cam or dud around with my bow and I will kill stud elk as well killing don’t make you a good hunter imo…

 

well said

 

Just keep sending Dudley your money.
Biggest hype in archery

 

Yes right about issues, BUT the $$$ are lively hood. Back when was his age used 85# BUT only 50% let off. What is Cam's problem that because Dudly is moving over why would Cam have to leave?

 

Started shooting archery back in 58 & started shooting targets in 68, first nationals 71, first Cobo Hall in door 69. Starting to work in compound MFG. 71 & at first PSE Lake of the Woods I believe 73 when personally meet Pete Shepley at a party at his home on Saturday night between rounds, don't believe Terry R. was shooting nationally yet but it wasn't long before I did & Michelle's dad was shooting for us before she meet Terry. Yes I would rather spend time talking with Terry, Michele, & Pete for a few minutes than spending the whole day with Cam & Dudley, & Chris Bees. Learned bow tuning by trial & error back in the early 70's.

 

What both of these guys (and Rogan and Bee) have proven time and time again is that you longer matter. I don’t either. Those of us that would rather learn from the legends are statically insignificant. Both of those guys sell things and reach audiences most never will and at the end of the day to business that is all that matters.

 

The amount of people I meet every year who find out I’m a bowhunter and then they transition the conversation to Rogan always surprises me. It’s never the Dud or Haines. We capped every unit for nonresident hunters but still every year we get more people in and on public land trying to kill an elk as residents are not capped. It’s not just the crowding it’s the lack of knowledge, last few years I’ve seen camping on the trail heads, jumping bugles , ignoring thermals literally people starting on top pushing the elk off the mountain before sunrise. A lot of rude interactions when I call folks to me like I made them walk to me lol. I put the blame at Rogans feet he gives a very unrealistic view of killing elk with a bow. Cam and Dud fighting over a ranch hunt is the least of my concerns.

 

How cars about Haines and Dudley there rich guys that were afford opportunities and given what these jokers do has nothing to do with our lives

 

A sad mess for 'hunting'.Glad i had 5-6 decades before today.Maybe the first nuke will knock out GPS.Most would never find their way 'out' anymore-and certainly would never leave the road again.

 

I’m with ya let gps and tech be wiped out I’ll vanish into the bush no one will find me and I won’t be bothered

 

I was lucky to serve in the Army as a CAV scout in the early to mid 90’s we had huge gps units very crude by todays standards. We were rarely allowed to use them, map and compass and I can still get or go where I want to go but onX makes it so easy lol. I seldom use it for navigation more of marking wallows, trails, and sending and receiving spots from my group especially when someone knocks one down and we’re separated on the mountain.

 

I miss the days when hunting was a niche sport. Utube and video has NOT made the bowhunting better.