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Thought you guys and gals might enjoy someone else's perspective on the Martin Ads of late.

It's been much debated here...... and sides have been drawn in the past over the Martin Ads.

This is in the Feb. Issue of Bowhunting World magazine. Page 6. From the editor Mike Stradlund

THOSE MARTIN GIRLS

The inquiries I get from readers typically deal with one among three basic issues, and my answers are pretty pat.
"What's the best bow?" ("Sorry, there is no such thing.")
"Where's my magazine?" ("Sorry, let me connect you to circulation.")
"I've got a problem with something in your last issue." ("Sorry.")

In the last year I've been answering a new question more than all others put together. I've honestly gotten more feedback from this than any topic in my 14 years with this magazine.

"Why do you run those ads with disgusting pictures of naked women?"

Yes, some actually put it to me that way and my response is, "I may agree with you to a point but, sorry, I think they have a right to run those ads."

I'm referring of course to the Martin Archery Ad campaign that seems to have captured everyone's attention in one way or another. To me, the young ladies who form the central theme seem wholesome, happy and healthy enough; they certainly seem to be getting all their vitamins and maybe supplements in some cases. To me they seem just typical American females normal but for their particular penchant for Martin bows.

Sure, it's an unusual advertising approach in a bowhunting magazine, and that's where I agree with the complainants. I was personally more impressed with some of Martin's ads in their recent past. I would like to think that Martin could sell more bows with those ads about patriarch Gail Martin's history and family bent, or those hailing the achievements of of their bows in the field or on the target range in the hands of Martin's own awesome bowman George Ryals.

The thing is, they can't.

"We've been in business 50 years and people were thinking of us as an older, conservative company," said president Terry Martin. "We got this idea of a way to show we are young and aggressive, and boom , that took care of it. Our bow sales are up about 25% since we changed our ads."

Most people realize that in the business that's the bottom line. Others think it's not worth the cost they perceive.

"You don't know what it's like to have your own children see those ads...."

"Sorry, I do." My son Brad, at 15, naturally turns that page a little slower than most. My daughter Sara, 10, instinctively scans for fashion tips and thinks it's cool to see a girl shooting a bow for a change. I can't get too concerned, knowing they have been exposed to much more dubious things searching for Sponge Bob Square Pants on satellite TV, and on every trip to the mall.

We find the ads comparatively innocent, though Brad would rather see pictures of really big elk, he says. More generally, we try to minimize taking such things too seriously and maximize our tolerance of other people's ways of doing things and opinions. To that end, we will always welcome yours.

Terry Marin's own stepdaughter Kate is a favorite subject in Martin's recent ad campaign. Kate's mom Donna took the photo.





I found this to be a very interesting perspective from someone in the publishing industry. I thought the article was well written and covers the topic very well.

It proves that whether we as archers agree with the ad campaign or not, it has indeed brought success to Martin.

Personally, I think the latest pics posted by GRIV were in good taste and if that 15 year old would rather look at big elk....... well, I'd have a few questions...... :D

Interesting perspective..... :)
 

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I will start it off by saying I have absolutely no problem with these ads.

The bottom line is sex sells. Martn spends big bucks with Bowhunting World on Advertising. No wonder the editor has no problems with the ads. I pesonally think they are on the thin edge of the wedge with what is acceptable in a mag that promotes archery as a "family" endeavor.

Lets face it, if Terry Martins step daughter didnt have a great rack, she would not be in these ads! It is that simple. I am sure there is an ugly Martin family member. They keep her in the back room licking stamps.
 

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LMBO longdraw :D

I don't think there are any ugly Martin's.....

heck, look at GRIV......

he's sure got a pretty mouth on him don't he....... :D :D :D


sorry, Deliverance joke....... :rolleyes:
 

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any of you compound guys ever seen some of the Italian FITA recurve catalogues? specifically the stuff Sante Spigarelli (one of the few guys other than Rick Mckinney who could shoot on the same bale with Darrell Pace in the Mid 70's and not get embarassed) puts out? I remember seeing one of his catalogues that Steve Robinson brought to the 2000 Ohio Field. I noted that the girl in the t-shirt and thong (that was all she had on) had good form for a "model" (actually she was something like world # 23 or something like that from the Italian team). she had on more clothes than most :D


the Martin stuff is tame
 

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I've seen much worse at the ATA...... or better...... depending on whether or not my wife is with me at the time...... :rolleyes:
 

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I read the aditorial also. It has brought about new/increased business to martin. Sex sales in a predominantly male sport. So Martin is advertising toward the majority of the customers.

NOTE: I wish more women would get involved in archery that way I could show my wife and it would get her involved. But thats OK, I have 2 lil girls that will be involved in archery in 5 or 6 years :D
 

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ok, I am not going to go into detail regarding my opinion on the Martin ads but I will say one thing.People say "Well Sex sells" as though that makes it all right. Personally I don't think the purpose of sex is to sell merchandise. If we start using sex to sell everything from tubesocks to computers then aren't we sending a mixed message to ourselves and our children regarding the purpose of sex?

This still begs the question of wheither you think the ads have crossed the line between using attractive woman to show a bow and using sex to sell. This may sound like the same thing but have you watched tv these days? I have commercials that seem to be just short of an orgy and then say the product name at the end with no connection. That is using sex to sell. But then you have the situation where an attractive person demostrates the product. Where do you draw the line?

There are alot of attractive/talented archers if one of them was in the ad then would it be using sex? Does it depend on the amount of clothes? How attractive the person is? If they can use the product?

I will say one more thing about the Martin ads. I might not have given them alot of thought except for the reaction to them on the board. If anything it is the reaction of the individuals that offends me. Usually I stop posting on AT because of posts regarding the Martin ads.
 

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SPECTRE said:
I've seen much worse at the ATA...... or better...... depending on whether or not my wife is with me at the time...... :rolleyes:
Oh man, you got me LMAO!!! Hope she doesnt see this thread :p :D
 

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G33kI will say one more thing about the Martin ads. I might not have given them alot of thought except for the reaction to them on the board. If anything it is the reaction of the individuals that offends me. Usually I stop posting on AT because of posts regarding the Martin ads.[/QUOTE said:
G33K, The reaction from some of the members that offends you is exactly why Martin advertises like this. Unfortunately you are in the minority. As soon as they show Griv shooting his bow in a thong you will know they are marketing to you gals.
 

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Sex sells whatever. Sex slows down the viewer down to get him or her to look longer at it. If you see the same line ogf ads saying we win everything from everyone then no one will look long enough to remberr it. Now since the majority of archers especially bowhunters are men then put an attactive woman holding your bow and guys will slow down to look at. Answer this what is the bow that Kate is holding? Oh and women selling archery is nothing new. Just check these out.

BTW Kwte is holding a shadowcat.
 

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G33k..... I agree with your post. I think the author of the article showed that side as well.

They presented both sides very thoughtfully.

I call BS though on the 15 year old that would rather look at elk :D I can almost remember being 15 and couldn't wait for the sears catalog to arrive so I could, well..... nevermind :rolleyes:



That's why I think that if she can for sure shoot...... it's the exception to the rule. And I assume that she can considering that she's indeed a Martin, so to speak.

I can't believe for a minute that someone would actually purchase a bow because Kate is shooting one though...... and let me qualify this statement.

If someone sees the ad and goes to their local dealer...... tries a Martin bow, likes it, buys it, shoots it well and enjoys it then it's a success. But if someone walks in to a shop and buys one just because of the picture then well..... there you go. The gene pool is shrinking. ;)

I was just surprised to see that the publishers are getting negative feedback. I know that we as archers have beat this horse to the ground here. This was the reason for my starting this thread...... just as an "FYI", not to start a war all over again. :eek:


Jerry and 12pointer...... she's asleep :D I'm harmless and she knows it....

After 13 years of marriage I'm like a bulldog chasing a bus..... even if I could actually catch one I wouldn't know what to do with it....... maybe just tinkle on the tire or something :D
 

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As soon as they show Griv shooting his bow in a thong you will know they are marketing to you gals.
Ok, I think you may be confused, I don't ever want to see a man in a thong and alot of girls feel the same. We would rather see them in some jeans, a tux, board shorts :D or something like that.
 

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Jerry and 12pointer...... she's asleep :D I'm harmless and she knows it....

After 13 years of marriage I'm like a bulldog chasing a bus..... even if I could actually catch one I wouldn't know what to do with it....... maybe just tinkle on the tire or something :D
LMAO.......too funny ~!!
 

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I still like the ad from Bare oops Bear years ago :p :D
 

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I like to view myself as largely unaffected by advertising. On that bases it is very hard to imagine that a 25% increase in sales is the result of this particular advertising campaign. I would have to say that Martin has been hard at work developing a very successful line of products. And this fact has been recognized by an ever increasing group of archers. In fact, if I were in the market to buy a new bow right now I would be giving serious consideration to the martin line-up, and it is not because they have pretty girls in their ads.

That said, I certainly hope that Martin doesn't get rid of these ads because I think it is very refreshing to find them in archery and bowhunting periodicals. and since they are crediting such a large portion of their sales to this campaign, maybe, just maybe we'll be seeing more of this from some other archery manufacturers :)
 

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Personally I don't think the purpose of sex is to sell merchandise.
Which begs the question........... Naah to easy. :rolleyes:

Seriously G the point of advertising is to provoke a response and create association with a product. On that level Martin has gotten they're moneys worth outta the ladies. ;)

You should see what some companies will do to sell something as mundane as Tires
 

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The purpose of the ad is to get you to stop flipping pages and look at the ad, success in this case. The reaction you then get determines what happens next. this ad WORKED. If it didn't we wouldn't know what company the girl was representing. We do, so we know its Martin, so the ad worked.

--Bob
 
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