[tboni]

I was reading here a few weeks back and suggested to tie a long arrow on both your shoulders and the other end should point on your wrist. (Or something along those lines)

So i faced the mirror and saw that the arrow is going past my wrist whenever i’m at “full draw” (over-expansion).

Now for the question, do you follow that your elbow should be at directly behind the arrow or do you follow the shoulder alignment?

Thank you!


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[ThomVis]

Disclaimer: Without seeing you shoot it's hard to "coach", better find yourself a local coach.
My thoughts:
Preferably both, but it depends on your build, flexibility, technique and physical limitations (injuries) if you can achieve this.
You can look in the mirror and see how your shoulders and bow-hand wrist line up at full draw. I've seen (and done) some failed attempts of tying the arrow to the shoulders.
Lining up the shoulders to the bow-hand wrist is a result of pushing the bow to the target as far as you can, you should not be deliberately rotating your upper body to facilitate this.
Keeping your bow arm stable is your first priority, lining up the elbow behind the arrow should be next.

 

[Flyinhawaiian]

If you concentrate on “draw shoulder-bow shoulder-bow wrist” alignment, the draw side elbow is usually where you need it to be and the last little squeeze back into your transfer position ensures it’s proper alignment.

 

[lcaillo]

If you concentrate on “draw shoulder-bow shoulder-bow wrist” alignment, the draw side elbow is usually where you need it to be and the last little squeeze back into your transfer position ensures it’s proper alignment.

This is very true. But don’t get hung up on straight lines between the segments. Find the alignment that is most stable for the individual. Remember the basic anatomy of how the force is supported. The only bony connection between the shoulder and the rest of the skeleton is the clavicle. It is curved and the length,shape, and support at the AC joint vary in individuals. Geometry is not one size fits all. But getting a solid platform for the shot starts with the bow shoulder position IMNSHO and Flyinhawaiian is right about the rest needing to follow and mostly taking care of itself.


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[Hikari]

The method you are talking about is very crude. If you are just starting and want some indicator of the relative position of your shoulders to your bow arm, this kind of works. You can also lean against a wall and get an idea of your alignment by placing your shoulder on the wall and seeing where you bow arm is. Still, there is a limit to the value of these. Hopefully, you will get better form relatively quickly where this information becomes too vague. Videoing your form or checking in a mirror will give much better information.

BTW, I use the NTS method and I do rotate my shoulders/upper body into alignment to get my shoulders and bow arm in a line--doing this, I also feel my bow hand move toward the target. This also helps transfer to my back muscles in my draw shoulder. This is based in an open stance.

As Leonard points out, our bodies are all different--average is statistical. In my case, I have very high shoulders. If you couldn't see the divet in my shoulder, you would probably think my shoulder is raised or collapsing. I found the book Archery Anatomy by Ray Axford a really good resource. It actually describes the issue I have with my shoulder. It is also why I need a high preparation in my draw--if I draw from a low bow arm position, I cannot set my shoulder correctly.

 

[tboni]

Shot today and its my first time shooting a 52/60 at 70meters. For me thats a win.

Ill probably stick with whats working, for now. Thank you!

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