['Ike']

Impressive, very impressive.....Will most likely replace the Ultimate Steel for me....

I know/knew about the loose blade issue and not so on the two (2) packs I've picked up! Shoot like little darts out to 40 (Max for me!) and spin great! Blade sharpness is excellent! :cocktail:

Anyone else going to these this season?

 

[JRF20]

Yep. Love em!

 

[Meleagris1]

Yes, I will be shooting them and NAP Scorpion XP's.

The Striker is a really nice head and VERY sharp. As accurate as my RM Turbos, which surprised me, and without the super sharp blade angle of the ST's.

 

[BRONZ]

The wife will be shooting them this fall. If they perform well, I'll probably take some on my elk trip next year.

 

[pirogue53]

Glad you were fortunate enough to get a good pack without loose blades.
I'm still patiently awaiting replacements.

 

[Meleagris1]

Glad you were fortunate enough to get a good pack without loose blades.
I'm still patiently awaiting replacements.

Give them a call, they were quick with mine.

 

[KC-IL]

Any way to tell which ones have the problems? I'm going to pick some up... would be nice to know if they've been sitting on the shelf for months.

 

['Ike']

Ask -

Any way to tell which ones have the problems? I'm going to pick some up... would be nice to know if they've been sitting on the shelf for months.

That's if they'll tell you when they got them....The other thing is (What I was told!) a burr on the blades that may cause it not to seat right....File this off and good to go!

 

['Ike']

Tribute -

My Tribute likes 'em.......:cocktail: Shot some more this evening....

 

[BO HNTR]

I'd rather shoot the real Wac'ems. :wink:

 

[ZA206]

Wac-Em's aren't as sharp, aren't as well machined/finished and have weaker blades.... but hey, shoot what you want.

I've shot both... the Striker is a better head, hand's down.

-ZA

I'd rather shoot the real Wac'ems. :wink:

 

[i'll hoyt ya]

im gonna shoot some stuff with wac'ems, and the stikers, i will decide then.:wink:

 

[BO HNTR]

ZA206:

"aren't as well machined." I beg to differ sir. As for the Striker head itself, the design is awesome so it should perform well. However, just know the Striker head is cast out of powdered metal (mim process). The Wac'em is machined from stainless steel which tends to be more durable and precise, IMO. This may be the reason why loose blades are not uncommon on the Striker head.

The Striker is definately a stolen design.....Just another case of a large company bullying a small family owned business like Wac'em. G5 definately disappointed me with this move. However, the patent violation lawsuit is already in the making, so penalties may be applied in the future.

The blades on the Striker are sharp and thicker than Wac'ems. However, on replaceable bladed heads, how thick do you need? I don't think many here will dispute the toughness of a Muzzy head which, by the way, has a blade thickness of .20. The Wac'em is .27. Is that enough or should it be .30?

Bottom line is this folks, since the design is exactly the same as the Wac’em head it should perform well. Blade thickness is important, but once you’ve reach .20 thickness on a replaceable bladed head, it’s significance is reduced, IMO. I believe overall STRENGTH of the ferrule is more important once you have established proper blade thickness.

If you like the Striker, shoot them, as the design is awesome. However, the only significant difference is the way the body of the head is produced, as I reported above.

On a personal note, I don’t support ANY company that copies designs from the “average joe” businessman trying to make it in the archery world. Unfortunately, this isn’t the first time it’s occurred in the archery business and until consumers voice their displeasure with this power tactic used by large companies it will continue. Sad, but true!

Lastly,I was just poking fun at ol' Ike.....I owe him! :wink:

 

['Ike']

Design -

Lastly,I was just poking fun at ol' Ike.....I owe him! :wink:

MmmmHmmm I hear ya BO, no problem with that....I was looking at the G5, as it's German made....We Germans have to stick together! :wink: Not to happy with the stories of design theft, but do like the way they shoot for me and was needing a replacement for the Ultimate Steel...May have to look some more now!

 

[BO HNTR]

Ike:

We'll put both heads to use at our next turkey hunt amigo! :wink:

 

['Ike']

Deal!

Sounds good BoHntr! :cocktail:

 

[Meleagris1]

This may be the reason why loose blades are not uncommon on the Striker head.

Loose blades were the result of one of G5's dies having the wrong dimensions. The problem was identified quickly, and that machine was scrapped and replaced. Very few batches of heads from this machine actually got out, but they were the first out, which is why we are seeing some of them now.

G5 will replace these heads no questions asked.

As far as the whole notion that you will never buy from companies who steal ideas, keep in mind that there are few archery companies out there that haven't been involved in patent litigation. PSE, Hoyt, Bowtech, Darton, Mathews, Specialty archery, Easton , NAP . . . the list goes on and on. If you don't want to be a hypocrite, you will have to stay away from all of these companies.

And that is just archery companies. What about automobile manufacturers, etc etc. There is nothing wrong with being aware of what is going on in the business world, and picking and choosing who you support, as long as you realize that most if not all companies are involved in this kind of wrangling. Capitalism knows no saints.

 

[ZA206]

You might want to read my review/comparision of the Slick Trick vs. Striker vs. Wac-Em. I have pictures and multiple packs oe EACH brand of head to prove my point.... pictures also.

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=346424

The Wac-Em is not nearly as well finished as the striker, I don't care what you say. Look at the pictures in my thread, you'll see. Also, the ferrules on the Wac-Ems (I like the machined stainless, it's pretty and definately tough) were pretty roughly finished, the COC tip was very dull with heavy machining marks left in... I had to sharpen all of mine by hand. It takes a while b/c there was so much rough material to remove. Thank the lord I have a really rough diamond stone to speed up the process.

I also think there is enough differences in the designs that a patent lawsuit is a waste of Wac-Em's time and money.... they cannot win. I support the small business as much as anyone, hell I am a small business owner myself. However, I do not adhere to the "blind faith" that some of you guys have, my money means more to me than anyone else's money, therefore I have NO loyalties to any manufacturer's products. If I find something better, that warrants a change, I use the better product (I ain't giving up my Leupold binos for Swarovski's just b/c they are better).

My comparison was totally unbiased, and as a mechanical engineer, I call them like I see them when it comes to manufacturing.

Shoot what you want, but it's a FACT that the Striker is SHARPER (blades AND COC tip), has tougher blades (yes, it matters) and is more soundly designed.

Good luck this hunting season.

-ZA

ZA206:

"aren't as well machined." I beg to differ sir. As for the Striker head itself, the design is awesome so it should perform well. However, just know the Striker head is cast out of powdered metal (mim process). The Wac'em is machined from stainless steel which tends to be more durable and precise, IMO. This may be the reason why loose blades are not uncommon on the Striker head.

The Striker is definately a stolen design.....Just another case of a large company bullying a small family owned business like Wac'em. G5 definately disappointed me with this move. However, the patent violation lawsuit is already in the making, so penalties may be applied in the future.

The blades on the Striker are sharp and thicker than Wac'ems. However, on replaceable bladed heads, how thick do you need? I don't think many here will dispute the toughness of a Muzzy head which, by the way, has a blade thickness of .20. The Wac'em is .27. Is that enough or should it be .30?

Bottom line is this folks, since the design is exactly the same as the Wac’em head it should perform well. Blade thickness is important, but once you’ve reach .20 thickness on a replaceable bladed head, it’s significance is reduced, IMO. I believe overall STRENGTH of the ferrule is more important once you have established proper blade thickness.

If you like the Striker, shoot them, as the design is awesome. However, the only significant difference is the way the body of the head is produced, as I reported above.

On a personal note, I don’t support ANY company that copies designs from the “average joe” businessman trying to make it in the archery world. Unfortunately, this isn’t the first time it’s occurred in the archery business and until consumers voice their displeasure with this power tactic used by large companies it will continue. Sad, but true!

Lastly,I was just poking fun at ol' Ike.....I owe him! :wink: