having problems finding a suitable bow for my 12 girl. SHe wants to hunt this year, WI laws says at least 30lbs. She has a hard time pulling 32lbs and as a 25" draw. Which eliminates alot of the "youth" bows. She has maxed out her Genesis at 20 lbs. The Pro will only give her another 5 lbs. So Why dont they make the pro from 25lbs to 35lbs? Stacey's web site list a Tom Thumb II in 25-35 but have no expeirence with this brand. I hate to have to buy a bow that maxes out at 30 lbs only to have to buy a new one in a year or two.
william75
Mathews Ignition youth bow,
30-40 lb limbs, you could buy heavier limbs later as well, though I wouldn't think that would be needed ever.
19" to 26" draw available, check with your local mathews dealer, but they need different cams as you go longer in draw, instead of costing 80 like the cams for their adult bows they have a cam swap program for about 20 bucks.
30-40 lb limbs, you could buy heavier limbs later as well, though I wouldn't think that would be needed ever.
19" to 26" draw available, check with your local mathews dealer, but they need different cams as you go longer in draw, instead of costing 80 like the cams for their adult bows they have a cam swap program for about 20 bucks.
What is the let-off on a Genesis/Genesis Pro? Unless I'm mistaken, I thought the Genesis bows did not have a let-off, i.e. pull 20# throughout the draw cycle. > 30# - no let-off - is more than some full grown adults can pull and hold comfortably for any extended period of shooting. Probably the reason the Genesis Pro only goes up an additional 5#. At that point you should consider something else available in the shorter draw, low-pound, but also having some let-off on the cam. Otherwise may as well shoot a 30# recurve, imo. Lots of options out there in those draw length and draw weight ranges I believe, including in the Mathews line-up, to go to that next "step" from the Genesis line.
My guess anyway............
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My guess anyway............
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Set my 11 year old up with a Darton Ranger 3. Worth the look, it's easy to change draw length as they grow (you can do it yourself) all you have to do is move a pin. I started my girl out pulling 15lbs. now she is up to 25 lbs. I think this bow will max out at 45 lbs. It should work for her for a couple of years, should be a nice hunting bow when she gets it up to speed.
Bow #'s etiquette
If your daughter is going to go in the woods with you,you need to keep this in the front of your mind is 30# truly adequate to take down a deer if the shot is not placed correctly. At what range do think your daughters abilities will allow a safe and clean shot? These words may see harsh but you really do want to to start her hunting experience out on the right path that being an ethical hunter. Uni draws serve there purpose of getting kids and adults into the sport. Here is the big drawback that is faced with these bow there is no let off period. These bows are actually harder to draw back once you reach a certain draw weight, different from person to person, what is your holding weight at full draw 65%,75% or maybe even 80% not very difficult to draw is it as long as you stay within your physical limitations. And you are an adult s you know what they are. Back to your soon to be hunter, target shooter there are several manufacturers that have bows to suit your needs Fred Bear, Hoyt, Alpine Archery,Darton, Mathews. Make sure that you find a bow with a large range of DL as she will be growing. Next a lot of the bows out there today will take you from the low 20's up to legal hunting #. Start off with poundage low and work up you will be surprised at what those little muscles can accomplish. You as parent should not push the poundage issue for you personal goals, remember that if you push the #'s issue the cherub might revoke and then you both loose. Here is one other little bit of information that might help peek interest, during legal hunting season kids under eleven years of age accompanied buy a parent or someone over the age of 18 can go into the woods and shoot small game turkey season is coming soon and some seasons never close.
If your daughter is going to go in the woods with you,you need to keep this in the front of your mind is 30# truly adequate to take down a deer if the shot is not placed correctly. At what range do think your daughters abilities will allow a safe and clean shot? These words may see harsh but you really do want to to start her hunting experience out on the right path that being an ethical hunter. Uni draws serve there purpose of getting kids and adults into the sport. Here is the big drawback that is faced with these bow there is no let off period. These bows are actually harder to draw back once you reach a certain draw weight, different from person to person, what is your holding weight at full draw 65%,75% or maybe even 80% not very difficult to draw is it as long as you stay within your physical limitations. And you are an adult s you know what they are. Back to your soon to be hunter, target shooter there are several manufacturers that have bows to suit your needs Fred Bear, Hoyt, Alpine Archery,Darton, Mathews. Make sure that you find a bow with a large range of DL as she will be growing. Next a lot of the bows out there today will take you from the low 20's up to legal hunting #. Start off with poundage low and work up you will be surprised at what those little muscles can accomplish. You as parent should not push the poundage issue for you personal goals, remember that if you push the #'s issue the cherub might revoke and then you both loose. Here is one other little bit of information that might help peek interest, during legal hunting season kids under eleven years of age accompanied buy a parent or someone over the age of 18 can go into the woods and shoot small game turkey season is coming soon and some seasons never close.
thoughts on 30# IMO
When I made a reply to your post there are a few things that i put into the equation those being ETHICS= a satisfying hunt Knowing that you have done everything within your power staying within your abilities and within the law. Regs vary from state to state I grew up in Wisconsin New Berlin to be exact and did some of my hunting around the horicon marsh flyway and around Birchwood Wis. The WI DNR changed relaxed the shooting DW from 40# @26'' to 30# not to long ago. In my opinion that was a mistake and here is why I think that. Let's say the we have a bow that goes to legal hunting weight the tendency is to let little johnny go into the woods at lets say 36-37 because that is close enough. With a bow shooting an arrow 300gr at 175 the KE is about 20-21. Now we have lowered the min. DW to 30# and th same mentality apply s so now we have entry level archers shooting 26-27 with the same arrow and 150fps the KE drops to a mere 14 It take 6-8 KE to penetrate through the hide and make it way to the heart without any bone being hit. I am not stating that you fall under this thought proses but as wee all know some do AS you mention in your last post you have set limits that a shot can be take that is a big plus as it will yield it's return in possibly taking a shot on a deer. When I made this post I didn't know the physical limitations if any. As you state this shouldn't be a factor in obtaining her goal. I hope that you and your daughter have many memorable hours in the woods together. I Have two boys ages 13 and 15 and hunting has never beeen better than when I am with them.
When I made a reply to your post there are a few things that i put into the equation those being ETHICS= a satisfying hunt Knowing that you have done everything within your power staying within your abilities and within the law. Regs vary from state to state I grew up in Wisconsin New Berlin to be exact and did some of my hunting around the horicon marsh flyway and around Birchwood Wis. The WI DNR changed relaxed the shooting DW from 40# @26'' to 30# not to long ago. In my opinion that was a mistake and here is why I think that. Let's say the we have a bow that goes to legal hunting weight the tendency is to let little johnny go into the woods at lets say 36-37 because that is close enough. With a bow shooting an arrow 300gr at 175 the KE is about 20-21. Now we have lowered the min. DW to 30# and th same mentality apply s so now we have entry level archers shooting 26-27 with the same arrow and 150fps the KE drops to a mere 14 It take 6-8 KE to penetrate through the hide and make it way to the heart without any bone being hit. I am not stating that you fall under this thought proses but as wee all know some do AS you mention in your last post you have set limits that a shot can be take that is a big plus as it will yield it's return in possibly taking a shot on a deer. When I made this post I didn't know the physical limitations if any. As you state this shouldn't be a factor in obtaining her goal. I hope that you and your daughter have many memorable hours in the woods together. I Have two boys ages 13 and 15 and hunting has never beeen better than when I am with them.
Coach, I understand what you are saying regarding ethical shots. 30# w/ today's compounds, arrows and broadheads if tuned properly and used at close range (i.e. the 15yd and under shots william intends to limit his daughter to) should be sufficient to kill a deer with a broadside shot in the ribs. I did however want to note that WI has been 30# ever since I could bowhunt - which was approx. 30 years ago already. There has been no change recently down to 30# that I am aware of. Unless I missed something? Just wanted to clarify.
william, as I noted before, and this is just a guess, but since the Genesis bows do not have a let-off I'd guess that is why they do not offer a compound bow w/ > 25# draw weight. Yes, you could shoot a recurve at 30# but trying to make a good shot at that holding weight if the peak weight is already close to being a struggle to pull back isn't going to make matters any easier. Hence as others and I have suggested, I'd look into the next model up from a Genesis either in the Mathews line if you prefer to stick with the same brand or any of the other bow companies. Possibly much easier to find something at 25" that'll go down to the 25# to 35# range than you may think. Start it out around 25# and then gradually increase the poundage 1# or so per month (assuming regular shooting, and no, no need to tell her you increased the poundage) and by the start of fall bowseason she'll probably be able to even exceed the 30# state minimum. Just be careful, as I'm sure you're aware, not to overdo the poundage too quickly. If you see her struggling after any of the increases back it back down for awhile. Also when season starts works very well, if you can, to put out several 15yd markers/flags around your stand. Instructions to shoot only if the deer is within the circle. Makes it easy to see where the boundaries are and makes for a very easy shot/no shot decision when the heat of the moment comes. As skills and draw weight progress you can move the boundaries further out at your discretion.
Anyway, few extra thoughts on the subject............
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