Saw a guy bounce one of these of a Tom on tv today! Hit the bird in the wing. The bird runs off with the guy proclaiming ...He's not hurt!! I hit him low!! Gimme a break!! If you weighed 20-25# got hit from a projectile out of a 60-70# bow.. Think you would be hurt!! The old .. You either got a dead bird or you miss just does'nt wash!!