deer went 35 yards? i wouldn't complain about that BH at all

sounds like it flew true and did was it was supposed to, it made a QUICK kill and the deer went 35 yards, sounds like a good product to me, plus you shot it straight across and not at an angle

 

On any hit and blood trail there is so many things which can cause not to bleed. Take a look at this lung hit with the stinger buzzcut from a customer. I have bowhunted 35 years, and I have had blood trails a blind man could follow and I have had some where it was spotty. thanks

 

That is a beautiful blood trail

 

so how did they get that video??? ive seen it before on here and ive heard others ask.. did they have the deer in a vice of some sort holding it there.??

 

lol.

When I found the arrow I hit with it was covered and dripping with blood, not another spot on the ground after that, the cavity was loaded with blood. The only thing I can think of for it was the bleeder failed to do the job and the hit being horizontal, ever time the deer stretch out it closed the wound. Deer was dead, arrow flew true, massive blood lose killed it quickly, just no trail, blood trail that is.

I've never had any problems with a 3 blade thunderhead and blood. I think that configuration with razors is about perfect. Love the snuffers, need more, places don't seem to have them. Bass pro doesn't.

 

wvbowhunter-the deer was not held in a vice for the testing. no disrespect to anyone, because nothing is impossible, but the theory on the bleeder blade being to small causing a lack of blood trail is not true. Has you can see in the video, the video was done with a magnus stinger buzzcut 4 blade, I have attached pictures of the size hole the heads leave. There are so many variables when it comes to blood trails and most are related to shot placement. thanks

 

how the heck theyd get that video.. haha sorry just trying to figure out how they did it

.. earlier in the thread i finally realized heart was blown up "not pumping probably" and high entrance wound.. and guts clogged exit.. like i said deer only went 35 yrds just was brushy n hard to find.

 

I shot Em with a 50 Cal ml in the heart and had no blood after the hit.

 

I've shot several deer with Magnus buzzcuts and have had great blood trails on all kinds of shots. I have found that center punching the heart leads to a longer tracking job with less blood than a double lung shot. I take lots of close shots so I end up hitting one lung and the heart a lot....that does the trick

 

Deer live on the oxygen in their blood. Shoot a really big artery and blood will be pumped everywhere to the ground by the heart. Shoot a hole through the heart and you have stopped the pump from pumping the blood anywhere. The blood is mostly all still in the deers system and he will live on it for a while before the oxygen is depleted. This is why heart shot deer can go a long way sometimes.

 

that makes a lot of sense. Till I hear something better (doubtful) I'm sticking with yours. So simple, can't pump if the pump stops. What a duh moment.

 

All of this proves my point lung shots (both lungs) is way better than heart shot can't breath can't run
But a broadside heart shot usually low entrance or exit you get blood quartering to entrance a lot of fat meat bone to stop what blood you get quartering away same thing entrance is back long way for blood to travel

 

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You can hunt with the same head and eventually you get weak trails and great trails. If you think you can buy a certain brand of broad head that gives great blood trails with every kill.....you haven't hunted too long.

 

I have and a thunderhead has never not given blood. Those 3 razors slice and dice and can't but help cause massive blood lose. A non razor edge will not cut like a razor nor will it give the same blood. A lot of heads do not have an angle that allows a razor edge.

In construction for 30 years, cut myself many times, got one on my thumb right now from a stanley blade, same as a blade on a thunderhead. Doesn't take much to be a bleeder, I can only guess what 3 of those going through would do.

 

I shot a doe this year, ended up shooting through the heart and one lung with a two blade coc. Tiny blood trail. In the past I used to use mechanicals, but it was the same story, sometimes I got a great blood trail, and sometimes I didn't. I have noticed that my heart shot deer don't leave good blood trails though.

 

I dont know the exact science of it but it is all related to the moon. I am not of those people who are of the belief of the moon controlling deer movement but it certainly does when it comes to losing blood. Farmers know when to cut hogs and cattle. If the moon is not right the animal will almost bleed to death, if its done at the right time of the moon they wont bleed 2 tablespoons. I have had the same results with deer, Ive seen some bleed like crazy from a poor shot and other times be heart shot and barely bleed, not really surprised that this happened and I dont think it was any fault of the head.

 

I will add that the lack of O2 to the heart causes it stop, so it has to pump enough blood out of the circulatory system to create hypoxia, which then causes cardiac arrest. Depending on the wound channels and the wound to the heart itself determines the length of time the heart continues to pump before lack of O2 causes it to cease, and the entrance and exit wounds will determine what type of blood trail you have. It boils down to the faster the circulatory system loses blood volume, the shorter amount of time until the heart stops pumping, the placement and characteristics of the wound channels will determine blood ejected onto the ground. I have found that a center punch of the heart a deer may travel further, whereas a slicing wound just superior to the heart, the ascending aorta and pulmonary artery will produce a quicker death because basically it opens the circulatory system in a main way with little damage to the pump so it drains quicker. Also take into account the size of the animal, it may also be a slight factor, in that bigger animals more blood volume, so more has to be pumped out and yet because of their size they need more O2 to keep moving so the difference may be minimal. I mention all this to shed some light on that the heart doesn't necessarily stop pumped as soon as the arrow goes through, which causes little to no blood trail, physiology "kills" the heart and the physical aspects of the wound, size, high, low, forward, backward etc effects the blood trail observed.

 

Another issue that might have contributed to poor/no blood trail is that on a quartering toward shot, your broadhead passed through thick cartilage which springs back like stiff rubber and resealed the entry wound. I've had it happen on quartering away shots with high entry, low exit shots that went out through shoulder cartilage. Deer were very dead, but only tiny drops of trail escaped. Field dressing released massive retained blood.

 

This deer was shot quartering towards at 20yrds off the ground and this is the entrance hole. during guting found the heart had a perfect bH hole in it. it was almost a full pass through withthe arrow coming out at 2nd to last rib but low.

Arrow fell out 5 yrds after impact. it did rain slighlty after shot and before tracking but not enough to really wash stuff away.

The broadhead is a traditional style cut on contact head with a bleeder blade so 4bladee 1 1/16 cut.. i dont wanna really say the Name cause the company has great customer service and i havent had anyother problems and all deer have been recovered. but man this has been the weakest bloodtrails on all 5 deer ive shot with these heads.

Although the small buck only went 35yrds being it was shot off the ground and their was lots of brush recover took a solid 30 min of searching.

i have a hunting buddy that said he used similar style heads that were muzzy phantoms and they were exactly the same no to little blood trail but deer seem to go down within sight. I really find it hard to believe that one heads puts them down faster than others im a firm believer in shot placement and thats it.

but man these Traditional style coc heads have really let me down on the blood trail department.

anyone else having problems with that style of heads and blood trails????

 

All the heart shot deer I’ve taken have left unbelievable blood trails to the point they are completely bled out. Makes for nice clean field dressing. They can go a ways (because of Adrenalin) but hardly ever past 80 yards.

 

Takes a deer less than 3s to cover 35 yards. Unless it stood there and looked at you after you shot it, then turned and slowly walked away you would expect to find 0 blood trail.

 

all being said my brother and and i were hunting one afternoon and he shot a deer right before dark. he waited on me before blood trailing and right off the bat only specs of blood and i asked where he hit the deer and said middle lungs. finally the blood ran out and i just started walking the way the deer was headed and there he lay. my brother had made a perfect lung shot and i ask to see one of his arrows and it was tipped with zwickey broadheads which is made of hard carbon steel and they were not sharp.so if the broadheads are not razor sharp you will not get much blood.