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Paging someone from Lancaster.
I'm trying to transition from glove to tab. I'm shooting split.
I do not have big hands so I bought a medium size WNS SF-200.
It just arrived and as of this post I have 25 shots on it.
I have not trimmed it, because it seems small.
I have used a friend's tab about 6 months ago and I think it was a little larger.
The index finger is trying to roll/slide in toward the shaft.
Any insight would be appreciated.
Thanks.
 

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Paging someone from Lancaster.
I'm trying to transition from glove to tab. I'm shooting split.
I do not have big hands so I bought a medium size WNS SF-200.
It just arrived and as of this post I have 25 shots on it.
I have not trimmed it, because it seems small.
I have used a friend's tab about 6 months ago and I think it was a little larger.
The index finger is trying to roll/slide in toward the shaft.
Any insight would be appreciated.
Thanks.
You don't measure a finger tab with fingers flat.
You measure a finger tab with the fingers in the DEEP HOOK position. Like this.



With fingers in a DEEP HOOK position, use a sharpie pen to mark the outline of your fingers
on the tab face (one face at a time). EAch layer needs to be trimmed separately. START with the deepest layer
and mark the end of your fingers. Then, attach the top layer (untrimmed) on top of the trimmed bottom layer.
Now, mark the ends of fingertips, with fingers in a DEEP HOOK position. Now, trim the top layer
if you have a 2 layer finger tab.
 

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If you are worried, leave a 1/16th amount of extra tab material past the finger tips.



Ohhh Nooo! I trimmed my tab too short?
Nope, this is how a well used tab looks, the sweat from the fingers and thousands of shots
will make the tab leather facings stay bent in the DEEP HOOK shape.

TEST the new finger tab leather facing, with fingers BENT into a deep hook,
and then, decide how much you need to trim.
 

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I can not close my hand all the way. The nock spacer in the back is jammed into the web of my index and middle finger.
The spacer has a nut. Loosen the nut so the spacer can slide horizontal, as needed
so you can get the fingers into a deep hook, for purposes of marking the finger tab with a sharpie pen,
for trimming purposes.

Want to see this camera angle first.

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Thank you so much. I do appreciate it.
I called Lancaster and returning it.
I ordered the AAE Elite in a manly-man large size...lol.
And thank you for the tab trimming video. I would of most likely screwed up the trimming.
We can pick back up on this conversation when my new tab arrives.
Thanks.
 

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Thank you so much. I do appreciate it.
I called Lancaster and returning it.
I ordered the AAE Elite in a manly-man large size...lol.
And thank you for the tab trimming video. I would of most likely screwed up the trimming.
We can pick back up on this conversation when my new tab arrives.
Thanks.
Tab sizes, as they get larger, the height of the metal plate gets taller (want height of metal plate)
to extend from top of index finger to bottom of 4th finger.

I have my finger in the paracord loop for the middle finger.

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Want the metal plate just a HAIR below top edge of index finger.
 

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Thank you so much. I do appreciate it.
I called Lancaster and returning it.
I ordered the AAE Elite in a manly-man large size...lol.
And thank you for the tab trimming video. I would of most likely screwed up the trimming.
We can pick back up on this conversation when my new tab arrives.
Thanks.
As the tab gets larger, the metal plate also gets longer, from front to back.

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I have the largest size AAE Cavalier Elite finger tab and the plate is just right.
Back edge of plate is into the palm of my hand, and I can hook the leading edge of the metal plate
and the leading edge of the metal plate hits the 2nd joint of the pointer, and middle and 4th finger.

Ideal is to keep the bottom segment of the fingers and the palm of the hand nice and flat.



Why all the blue masking tape?
I have been experimenting with a palm swell, a shallow hump, a "speed bump"
to fill the hollow of the palm.



I also made a custom finger spacer, by adding Sugru (air curing silicone rubber) to get a custom fit between my fingers.



SUPER comfy.
 

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Thank you so much. I do appreciate it.
I called Lancaster and returning it.
I ordered the AAE Elite in a manly-man large size...lol.
And thank you for the tab trimming video. I would of most likely screwed up the trimming.
We can pick back up on this conversation when my new tab arrives.
Thanks.
So, Jake Kaminski like to use baseball glove leather conditioner.

I'm cheap. I just shoot a lot of arrows, and after each training session, I simply put the finger tab into a zip loc bag.
The sweat (salt and moisture) will break down the leather and soften it. SO, putting into a zip loc bag, keeps the humidity high, and accelerates the break in process. Eventually, when broken in, the bend in the finger tab becomes permanent.



When broken in, or just get your fingers into a HOOK, WAY deeper than you intend to ever shoot,
and make the ends of your fingertips with a sharpie pen. THEN, cut not enough, and follow the shape of your fingertips.

You don't need to EXACTLY follow each curve of the fingertip. MOST folks smooth out the curves.



I have a SUPER OLD Cavalier Elite finger tab, like 16 years old, back when AAE would provide 3 layers.
Top layer was Cordovan Leather. THIS is the fastest tab surface. ALso most pricey.
Center layer was thin rubber. VERy comfy.
Bottom layer (contacts fingers) was also cordovan leather.

I think these days, you don't get that center rubber layer any more.

BUT, the purpose of this photo, shows you that EACH deeper layer HAS to be LONGER,
cuz the middle layer must WRAP around the TOP layer (touches string). So, each layer is an arch.

So, middle layer must travel a LONGER distance, to get to the same end point of the top layer (touches string).

So, bottom layer (touching your fingers) travels the LONGEST distance, to get to the same end point of the top layer (touches string layer).
 

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So, if you have a two layer tab,
install only the top layer, the layer that touches the string.
CURL into a super deep hook, and then, mark the ends of finger tips with a sharpie pen.
THEN, cut away from the sharpie pen line, cutting NOT enough.

TEST the fit.
SEE how much extra tab material you have,
and trim again, getting CLOSER to the sharpie pen line.

When you get "close enough" to the trim line (sharpie pen line)
then, install the BOTTOM layer, the layer that touches your fingers.

BEND your fingers into a SUPER DEEP hook, and mark the BOTTOM layer.

Same deal. TRIM not enough, staying away from the sharpie pen line.
TEST the fit. SEe how much excess you have on the BOTTOM layer.

Then, trim again, getting closer to the sharpie pen trim line, leaving LESS excess.
 

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WHY go to all this trouble?
Marking with a sharpie pen?
Trimming not enough.
TESTing the fit.
TRIMMING a 2nd time, getting ever closer to the sharpie pen TRIM line?

Your groups will tighten up. Sometimes Dramatically. As you get the trim amount,
closer and closer to the sharpie pen trim line,
your groups will improve.

That's why.
 

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So, side note. I was trying to demonstrate to a newbie barebow recurve shooter, how to test whether the arrow spine is correct or not. She is shooting 22 lbs on the fingers, and was asking how come ALL of her fletched arrows miss HARD RIGHT? Pro shop sold her 600 spine arrows. Sigh.

Proper spine for 22 lbs on the fingers would be 1300 spine, 7 spine ratings WEAKER.

This happens when a newbie barebow recurve shooter is sold 600 spine arrows for 22 lbs on the fingers.

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So, I wanted to demonstrate how you test for proper SPINE arrows.
SHOOT a fletched and shoot a bareshaft.
I have 35 lbs on the fingers, and am shooting 800 spine arrows.

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"Sighted" in the bareshaft. Nail is my aiming point, shooting barebow.

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What does this have to do with a FINGER TAB?

Well, I could not find my fingertab, so I had to make one. I used cardboard for the plate (2 layers) custom cut to fit my hand, and curve of my thumb. Then, multiple layers of duct tape, and top layer of packing tape, for more slipperiness.

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So, the cardboard plate is a custom fit to my hand (XL glove size).
So, the finger loops are semi-rigid, and the tab does not rotate on my string hand. Nice. Convenient.

Main takeaway, is how to trim the leather face (layers).
Leave a little extra between ends of fingertips when you are in a deep hook.
THIS way, you can always trim a little bit more, next time.

Hand Gesture Wood Thumb Finger


I have a KSL brass finger tab somewhere in the house. Just gotta find it.
BUT, this DIY works BETTER than expected.

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