Wrong guy to ask, but I cast a vote. I don't care for outserts of any kind. IMO...most guys overthink all these things. It ain't the stuff, it's the guy behind the bow.

 

If ya don’t mind me asking what kind of hunting do ya do. I agree with the person behind the bow is the main thing.

 

Why not just use a standard size shaft with the factory insert cool melted in? Then screw in your broadhead and go hunting.

 

I think having an inserts that keeps the most amount of stuff in the shaft would be the strongest. Half-out can create a sort of level arm for the broadhead/tip to apply load on a bend or break the arrow. I do think if you did a half-out right they could be good but would not be my first choice. SVA is my local shop too and they obviously believe in those inserts so they can't be bad. I'm going to go towards a heavier arrow maybe this year but probably next year since I already have heads and its shooting good. Once I do that, I will be running a 75 grain hit with a 25 grain collar. My insert system will be 2 inches deep in the arrow with 1 inch covered on the outside, that seems pretty strong to me. I have 72 grain half outs now and they seat in 1.25 inches in the shaft, so I gain 3/4 inch by going with a hit. Not to mention that extra structural integrity due to the collar.

 

My vote was for “Overthinking it”. I’ve been shooting FMJ’s with standard and brass HIT inserts for years and never had a problem.

Bisch

 

I shoot both Hit and halfouts and can honestly say neither is a bad option. I think as long as your shooting animals through the pump station and pass through with no brakes until that arrow makes ground contact it done its job. I shoot HITs without a collar and had no problems even dug a few out of the barn wall and still shooting them. Easton Axis.

 

Ethics HIT with collar. Glued (Kimsha hot melt) in altogether with point as one unit.

 

HITS with a collar hot melted on have been solid. I have yet to break one at the front in the last 2 years of shooting them.

 

I have found two options that work really well. Hit with end cap, and stainless static inserts from Ethics Archery. Both good options. Usually I run the static inserts which are a half out of sorts but quite durable. Another option are the Gold Tip Airstrike stainless inserts. I run those on my RIP XV shafts.

I have the most confidence in a stainless or brass Hit with a steel end cap. However, they sometimes get stuck really bad in a bag target.

 

What's the problem you're trying to solve? Each one does it differently.

 

No problems really it’s just the off season and I like to tinker. More or less just threw the question out there to see what other peoples opinions were and if I was missing something.

 

Hit with a collar is superior to a half-out. Those things are junk.

 

The whole idea of a half out to me seems like unnecessary trouble. The types of inserts that have a small lip or are inside are the best options to me... can always add a collar for added protection. Won't get damaged or bent, will be easy to pull from targets.

Resilient outserts are generally heavier weight materials, so now you have to consider spine and overall arrow weight as well if you go that direction. There's a reason why people have disliked 4mm arrows, so to voluntarily give yourself that problem with 5mm seems like the wrong direction.

 

HIT aluminum and brass with no problems, collars and no collars I never had any problems. You’re overthinking it. Get your desired TAW and shoot your bow.

 

Like Bisch, I have been using FMJ‘s for the past 10 years with both the standard and brass H.I.T. inserts. I have never used an outsert. Another vote for overthinking.

 

I stopped hunting with Axis 5mm 2 years ago now, but always stuck with the 50 and 75 grain brass HIT and nothing else. Never had an issue with whitetail, a few muleys, and 2 elk with them. They performed as expected with a good shot. I think some people expect way too much out of a carbon arrow shaft that is meant to be the consumable portion of the hunting package. That being said the only Axis 5mm I ever broke were buried about 6 inches into a tree. Other than that they did well just wanted a shaft with lighter gpi.

 

Ethics makes a titanium 1/2 out now pre cut in 50gn. I just got a set in today. Should be a bullet proof set up. I love the ti inserts MFJJ makes, but I like the wide shoulder at the top for better broadhead alignment.

 

I run HIT inserts in my Victory RIP XV arrows (both .350 and .300 spine) with Gold Tip's XSmall Ballistic collars. and they've yielded excellent results. I glue in the inserts using Bob Smith Max-Cure glue, and hot melt for the collars. My arrows pull out of 3D targets easy, and mesh target faces without pulling out the insert, collar, and field point.

I built my Victory RIP XV .300 spine to be almost exactly the same weight as my .400 spine Axis arrows. The Victory arrows are 380 grains TAW, the Axis are 385 grains TAW. The difference is the former has a weight of 150 grains (125 grain point, 13 grain collar, 12 grain HIT insert) up front with 16% FOC, and the latter has 112 grains (100 grain point, 12 grain HIT insert) up front with 9% FOC.

 

I run HIT inserts in my Victory RIP XV arrows (both .350 and .300 spine) with Gold Tip's XSmall Ballistic collars. and they've yielded excellent results. I glue in the inserts using Bob Smith Max-Cure glue, and hot melt for the collars. My arrows pull out of 3D targets easy, and mesh target faces without pulling out the insert, collar, and field point.

I built my Victory RIP XV .300 spine to be almost exactly the same weight as my .400 spine Axis arrows. The Victory arrows are 380 grains TAW, the Axis are 385 grains TAW. The difference is the former has a weight of 150 grains (125 grain point, 13 grain collar, 12 grain HIT insert) up front with 16% FOC, and the latter has 112 grains (100 grain point, 12 grain HIT insert) up front with 9% FOC.

I like the sounds of this. Would you mind showing a picture?

 

From my limited knowledge, a hit would be stronger. I'm in the same boat as to what I want to glue on the end of my xv's. I was going to go neck deep into the MFJJ half outs, but now I'm on the hit/collar bandwagon.

 

It's interesting to see people always commenting about how halfouts are some big problem, yet I've been shooting them for years with no issues. I think material is a big factor a lot of people are ignoring. I will only use steel or titanium, no aluminum. I've shot into trees, fence posts, rebar in targets, etc and have yet to bend a half out. I have junked quite a few arrows but the halfouts have always been salvageable.

 

Hit/iron will insert. No collar is necessary in my opinion.