There are a few names I know and will listen to pretty much from knowing them. When I ask a question and get various types of results I'll just sort thru and try to reason out which one I think is the best answer/makes the most sense to me. Sometimes it does amaze me at the misguided info that people offer up. I'm sure they are just trying to help and not purposely steering someone wrong, but they got to learn to realize when they should speak and when they shouldn't.
How can anyone that has never shot a tournament?
Give advice on what it takes to get there.
My advice for members here is consider the source who is giving you information. Lots of excellant members here with years of compitition under there belts.
Exsperiance is the best teacher. Theres some great coachs and my best advice to anyone here seeking to compete seriously is seek the best coach available.
My advice for members here is consider the source who is giving you information. Lots of excellant members here with years of compitition under there belts.
Exsperiance is the best teacher. Theres some great coachs and my best advice to anyone here seeking to compete seriously is seek the best coach available.
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you also have a lot of cavemen on here when anybody comes up with a different way of doing something they just get run over.im not a pro shooter because i dont go to compete theres no money in it for me . on a local thing in my last 7 shoots ive won 5, tied once for first and had 1 second with as many as 175 shooters im 53 if i could see id be dangerous.i learn things every dayt i work with somebody shooting and there not pros.thing is to learn what to use and what not to use.watching a pro means almost nothing to me.( unless i see something i can use.)
I dissagre on this point
DB
I for one take most my advise from many pros here. I have succeeded in most sports in my life by finding the best of the best and seeking there advice. There obviously doing alot of things right.upnorth said:you also have a lot of cavemen on here when anybody comes up with a different way of doing something they just get run over.im not a pro shooter because i dont go to compete theres no money in it for me . on a local thing in my last 7 shoots ive won 5, tied once for first and had 1 second with as many as 175 shooters im 53 if i could see id be dangerous.i learn things every dayt i work with somebody shooting and there not pros.thing is to learn what to use and what not to use.watching a pro means almost nothing to me.( unless i see something i can use.)
DB
your right but the trick is finding out what works for you .i work with a lot of shooters mostly hunters i somethimes give them 2 or 3 different ways of doing something the trick is to find out what works for them not for me.ive worked with people that are right eye dom, but shoot left .have to shoot with there middle finger on the trigger. have mounted sights on the inside of the sight window. when you set up bows for other people you have to look at things in a different way . i dont see how shooting at a pro level is going to change it.had two pro shooters come into the range last year (spot shooters) saw me shoot told me that what we were doing dont work . i told bring you bows and will shoot some 3d they said we dont do that.give me a break im not a spot shooter its boring to me but if they challenged me i shoot them, all that can happen is i loose but the next time they shot me you can beat id be a spot shooter.
Bad advice is bad advice no matter who it comes from. Same can be said for good advice. To disregard someones attempt to help based on their post count, on weather or not they "compete" is just plain stupid. I know some great archers who do not post here. I also know some very knowledgable archers who choose not to compete. It ain't rocket science.
Wow... I'm an amateur and this thread makes me feel a little unwelcomed as far as responding to questions and giving my input here. Anybody else out there feel this way?
I'm not saying I disagree with your point. I'm just saying there's a reason forums like this are created. Sometimes you learn just as much from talking to another amateur who may be going through the exact same tuning issue etc. as you are at the moment than an "expert" who hasn't had that problem in years.
I think it's good to continue to promote as much input as possible from all members. Yes, we need to weed through it. But I'd rather have a lot of varied opinions than only 1 or 2 responses.
I'm not saying I disagree with your point. I'm just saying there's a reason forums like this are created. Sometimes you learn just as much from talking to another amateur who may be going through the exact same tuning issue etc. as you are at the moment than an "expert" who hasn't had that problem in years.
I think it's good to continue to promote as much input as possible from all members. Yes, we need to weed through it. But I'd rather have a lot of varied opinions than only 1 or 2 responses.
LHpuncher said:I agree Dan, there are alot of people on AT that are "experts" and have never shot tournaments let alone national events..........
:RockOn:
It is definitely a tough thing to "decode" when receiving information. When people want to know "What is your experience with......?" then you hope to get all sorts of opinions on people's experience with that product. You can then read them all and base your decision on that. I also weigh certain people's opinions greater than others. For example, when I was searching for a new broadhead, I put quite a deal of trust in Jerry/NJ and he definitely didn't steer me wrong. However, how is a new user going to know these things? They can't, but this is an internet forum and no certifications are needed to post your opinion...so that's what a person gets.
advice and coaching
The beauty of this sport is that it is not a sport.. It is a discipline!! Form is form everyone has one with some variation of style.foot stance anchor hi or low..ect..ect.. Some people aim at targets diff low high..ect..experience is what i or You did at a certain shooting event..We can tell people yes u need a light for ur scope at the indoor worlds.. That is advice.. But with everyone having there own way of doing things.. This thingy might work for you, but not for him...Randy Ulmer said it the best you take 3 or more things that you heard and try them in your routine.. If they work for you great.. if not u tried them and now you know.. You might only use one of them, and someone else might use all of them with success.. But because it's not a team event you need to find what works for YOU... wether it's a pro or a beginner I take the blinders off and the ear plugs out.. Sometimes it's just that one thing that will put u over the top or get u those last pesky points u need to get to the winners circle...My advise is to listen and learn as much as possible know matter what the source and give it a try.. If it works cool.. If not no biggie..
Getting to the winners circle at a national event is nothing more than Discipline and hard work on ur own part.
The beauty of this sport is that it is not a sport.. It is a discipline!! Form is form everyone has one with some variation of style.foot stance anchor hi or low..ect..ect.. Some people aim at targets diff low high..ect..experience is what i or You did at a certain shooting event..We can tell people yes u need a light for ur scope at the indoor worlds.. That is advice.. But with everyone having there own way of doing things.. This thingy might work for you, but not for him...Randy Ulmer said it the best you take 3 or more things that you heard and try them in your routine.. If they work for you great.. if not u tried them and now you know.. You might only use one of them, and someone else might use all of them with success.. But because it's not a team event you need to find what works for YOU... wether it's a pro or a beginner I take the blinders off and the ear plugs out.. Sometimes it's just that one thing that will put u over the top or get u those last pesky points u need to get to the winners circle...My advise is to listen and learn as much as possible know matter what the source and give it a try.. If it works cool.. If not no biggie..
Getting to the winners circle at a national event is nothing more than Discipline and hard work on ur own part.
Well said
Find what works for you.:wink:NCA said:The beauty of this sport is that it is not a sport.. It is a discipline!! Form is form everyone has one with some variation of style.foot stance anchor hi or low..ect..ect.. Some people aim at targets diff low high..ect..experience is what i or You did at a certain shooting event..We can tell people yes u need a light for ur scope at the indoor worlds.. That is advice.. But with everyone having there own way of doing things.. This thingy might work for you, but not for him...Randy Ulmer said it the best you take 3 or more things that you heard and try them in your routine.. If they work for you great.. if not u tried them and now you know.. You might only use one of them, and someone else might use all of them with success.. But because it's not a team event you need to find what works for YOU... wether it's a pro or a beginner I take the blinders off and the ear plugs out.. Sometimes it's just that one thing that will put u over the top or get u those last pesky points u need to get to the winners circle...My advise is to listen and learn as much as possible know matter what the source and give it a try.. If it works cool.. If not no biggie..
Getting to the winners circle at a national event is nothing more than Discipline and hard work on ur own part.
irefuse said:Wow... I'm an amateur and this thread makes me feel a little unwelcomed as far as responding to questions and giving my input here. Anybody else out there feel this way?
I'm not saying I disagree with your point. I'm just saying there's a reason forums like this are created. Sometimes you learn just as much from talking to another amateur who may be going through the exact same tuning issue etc. as you are at the moment than an "expert" who hasn't had that problem in years.
I think it's good to continue to promote as much input as possible from all members. Yes, we need to weed through it. But I'd rather have a lot of varied opinions than only 1 or 2 responses.
Please don’t feel unwelcome on my account I have seen your posts and am sure you are helping other archers
I don’t say that you have to be a pro to give advice, but at least back up a statement with your name and profile as you have done. I constantly see new archers on hear given information that is blatantly wrong and misleading the new archers are not in a position to know it is wrong.
So lets all, including me just get back to Archers helping Archers (I’m sure I have heard that somewhere before)
Cheers
Peter
irefuse said:Wow... I'm an amateur and this thread makes me feel a little unwelcomed as far as responding to questions and giving my input here. Anybody else out there feel this way?
I'm not saying I disagree with your point. I'm just saying there's a reason forums like this are created. Sometimes you learn just as much from talking to another amateur who may be going through the exact same tuning issue etc. as you are at the moment than an "expert" who hasn't had that problem in years.
I think it's good to continue to promote as much input as possible from all members. Yes, we need to weed through it. But I'd rather have a lot of varied opinions than only 1 or 2 responses.
I sort of feel the same... I am by no means an expert... or even that good a shooter... But, I and my daughter, have read a lot, watched a lot, and tried many things.. We have seen what works for the best shooters where we shoot; we have seen what has helped us and works for us…, and what DID NOT!
I do try to let people know it is my opinion only.. when I do reply to a thread. Many times I say I am not an expert… I do not reply to 3d or some threads, as I do not do those… unless it is a question… Hopefully, I have not overstepped the bounds here.. If so let me know..
One thing though….
Funny, I thought this place was "archers helping archers"... I must have missed the part, “Only experts need reply”… I thought this was a place to freely express ideas, opinions, etc… Is it really us newbies asking a few experts questions? If so… I guess I am in the wrong place… By the way… bad advice can, and does, come from very good shooters… and good advice can come from relative new shooters… every thread is just a data point that needs to be validated with other sources…
Just a humble opinion, from a new guy…that is not that good a shooter… NO shoot credentials really to speak of..... BUT has read a lot and has listened to many good shooters.. and tried many things in the pursuit of becoming good.. And until now... Has really enjoyed AT. I too feel a little unwelcome..
metalarcher said:I sort of feel the same... I am by no means an expert... or even that good a shooter... But, I and my daughter, have read a lot, watched a lot, and tried many things.. We have seen what works for the best shooters where we shoot; we have seen what has helped us and works for us…, and what DID NOT!
I do try to let people know it is my opinion only.. when I do reply to a thread. Many times I say I am not an expert… I do not reply to 3d or some threads, as I do not do those… unless it is a question… Hopefully, I have not overstepped the bounds here.. If so let me know..
One thing though….
Funny, I thought this place was "archers helping archers"... I must have missed the part, “Only experts need reply”… I thought this was a place to freely express ideas, opinions, etc… Is it really us newbies asking a few experts questions? If so… I guess I am in the wrong place… By the way… bad advice can, and does, come from very good shooters… and good advice can come from relative new shooters… every thread is just a data point that needs to be validated with other sources…
Just a humble opinion, from a new guy…that is not that good a shooter… NO shoot credentials really to speak of..... BUT has read a lot and has listened to many good shooters.. and tried many things in the pursuit of becoming good.. And until now... Has really enjoyed AT. I too feel a little unwelcome..
unfortunately the lack of any good books on modern bows with tuning ,timing and setup info means it boils down to hands on experience to learn it you have to do it opinions always vary and always will you just need to learn to sort the good from the bad .... I was once a newbie and have lots of people to thank for getting my game to the level it is now .....
Most of us are amateurs here
Im a amatuer. Why would you feel unwelcomed?
You choose to take what advise you want and what works for you.
Im giving my feelings from what many of us disscussed today at a shoot about AT. Like I said I read about ever thread. Im never offended.
I do think some that are new to archery should consider the advise. But if it works for you than that great.:wink:
Many are not here to be or win a compitition or even a tournament archer.
Im a amatuer. Why would you feel unwelcomed?
You choose to take what advise you want and what works for you.
Im giving my feelings from what many of us disscussed today at a shoot about AT. Like I said I read about ever thread. Im never offended.
I do think some that are new to archery should consider the advise. But if it works for you than that great.:wink:
Many are not here to be or win a compitition or even a tournament archer.
Just remember this!
There are no dumb questions.:tongue: I do think there are dumb answers and some here will say mine are included in that dumb answer part. But consider and give thought to whos giving it. I think it will benefit you to becoming a better archer.
DB
irefuse said:Wow... I'm an amateur and this thread makes me feel a little unwelcomed as far as responding to questions and giving my input here. Anybody else out there feel this way?
I'm not saying I disagree with your point. I'm just saying there's a reason forums like this are created. Sometimes you learn just as much from talking to another amateur who may be going through the exact same tuning issue etc. as you are at the moment than an "expert" who hasn't had that problem in years.
I think it's good to continue to promote as much input as possible from all members. Yes, we need to weed through it. But I'd rather have a lot of varied opinions than only 1 or 2 responses.
There are no dumb questions.:tongue: I do think there are dumb answers and some here will say mine are included in that dumb answer part.
But consider and give thought to whos giving it. I think it will benefit you to becoming a better archer.DB
Don't necessarily agree that someone has to have tourney experience to be a teacher. Remember the old saying? "Those that can-Do. Those that can't- Teach!!" The source of the advice can be from an insane asylum yet the best advice a particular person may need at that time. I think to single out people is a bad thing. Most are smart enough to determine good advice from bad.
Well I'm certainly not going to tell anyone how to shoot, or compete.. Right now I couldn't hit water consistently if I fell out of a boat.. 10 years ago, maybe but not now.. :wink:
That said, I've bought and tried tons of items in the last 8 months. I don't think someone has to be a seasoned professional to offer opinions on the performance, or at least offer comparative opinions between products. Normally I pick up 2 or 3 different makes of whatever I'm looking to use. I then use the one I feel is the best product or at least best for me..
Just my $.02 before taxes.. :becky:
10 years ago, maybe but not now.. :wink:That said, I've bought and tried tons of items in the last 8 months. I don't think someone has to be a seasoned professional to offer opinions on the performance, or at least offer comparative opinions between products. Normally I pick up 2 or 3 different makes of whatever I'm looking to use. I then use the one I feel is the best product or at least best for me..
Just my $.02 before taxes.. :becky:
Now you need to compete
DB
This isnt no spectator sport:wink: :tongue: :tongue:JawsDad said:Well I'm certainly not going to tell anyone how to shoot, or compete.. Right now I couldn't hit water consistently if I fell out of a boat..
That said, I've bought and tried tons of items in the last 8 months. I don't think someone has to be a seasoned professional to offer opinions on the performance, or at least offer comparative opinions between products. Normally I pick up 2 or 3 different makes of whatever I'm looking to use. I then use the one I feel is the best product or at least best for me..
Just my $.02 before taxes.. :becky:
DB
I know, I know... But it's also best not to endanger the others on the line.. :chortle:
We all start somewhere
DB
Time for you my good friend to hit that line. Thats where the fun is. Nothing like the aggravation of shooting in a tournament:tongue:JawsDad said:I know, I know... But it's also best not to endanger the others on the line.. :chortle:
DB
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