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Ok I have a question for those of you that have done this. My grandparents own 10 acres in a nearby county that they've given me permission to hunt. It has never been posted and needs to be. I have access to the local Gis website but obviously that's not a legal plat of the property. After I get a plat, how can I go about posting the property. I don't mind getting a compass and doing it that way, but with modern tech it's got to be easier. I don't have a gps but I've got my phone which can be useful although not foolproof. So any ideas about posting this property? Also how about how often to post signs and other tags identifying the line?
 

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There certainly has to be an easier way than a compass and I'm sure a GPS is better.
You'll have to check with what your state says is compliant with how often to post it.
 

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There are usually old corner markers that will help in determining property lines. Depending on the neighbors, I would make a reasonable effort to mark it close, but without a survey it won't be perfect.
 

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The correct way?

Get it professionally surveyed, then post it however you want..signs, fence, paint a purple slash on trees like they do down south..whatever.
 

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You are correct in that a GIS website isn't a legal manor to determine the proper boundaries.

The first thing you do is go to the County Register's office, County Clerks office, Tax Accessors office and obtian the legal plat of the area. In addition to that you'll want a copy of the deed containing the Metes & Bounds. This is just a start.

If you want it done to the letter of the law, you're best bet is to get a registered surveyor to create a legal plat and mark the property...a requirement in most areas for legal marking of boundaries. The landowner can post stuff all they want and it may not be a proper legal posting.

DO NOT go buy what the city/county plat says is correct. I've done plenty of surveys and found that often they are wrong. What happens is that a bad call or reference will be made and it will just carry forward. It's not a problem if there isn't a dispute but if someone were to raise a stink...the "I didn't know" defense doesn't go very far.
 

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X2 they have all the correct equipment to do it. They will use surveyor tape and mark it for you and then you could put your signs up........
 

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A survey is the best way, but very expensive. As mentioned, go to the county records office and get a plat map from the most recent survey. It’ll have the locations of the corner pins marked (including coordinates). Then, just go find those pins. Some may be buried, so take a metal detector. There’s a variety of ways to “string” the lines from one pin to the next, it’ll just depend on the terrain and how far apart they are.
 

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I'm trying to do this on the cheap. Was thinking of using the plat and a compass along with string to mark lines then come about 3-5 feet in from there and post signs.
 

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A survey is the best way, but very expensive. As mentioned, go to the county records office and get a plat map from the most recent survey. It’ll have the locations of the corner pins marked (including coordinates). Then, just go find those pins. Some may be buried, so take a metal detector. There’s a variety of ways to “string” the lines from one pin to the next, it’ll just depend on the terrain and how far apart they are.
What if the property doesn't have a plat map? Not all parcels have recorded surveys, in fact I'd say less than half do. If you want to accurately mark your lines the only way to do it is get it surveyed. Any other way is guessing unless you can pull a string between the corners monuments. GPS takes measurements from outer space and can't be relied on for accuracy and the tax maps can be substantially off as well. GET IT SURVEYED! Anything else will end up costing you in the long run.
 

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A survey is the best way, but very expensive. As mentioned, go to the county records office and get a plat map from the most recent survey. It’ll have the locations of the corner pins marked (including coordinates). Then, just go find those pins. Some may be buried, so take a metal detector. There’s a variety of ways to “string” the lines from one pin to the next, it’ll just depend on the terrain and how far apart they are.
Also if the plat has coordinates on it, do most people understand the differences in coordinate systems and understand how to apply them to their GPS units? Is the map using NAD 83, NAD 27, meters, U.S. Survey feet? Are the distances grid or ground distances? If using a compass do you know how to apply the magnetic declination? Trust me, GET IT SURVEYED!
 

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Most hand held gps units I'm aware of are only accurate to several feet, unless you have some sort of a correction signal. Then they may be accurate to within 1-3 feet.
 

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So Im guessing no fence? Correct way is get the property deed which will give you legal description, pretty easy to measure it off yourself. But official way is surveyor...I can tell you I just looked into this and it was going to cost me $3500, complete rip off IMO, so I guess I will keep the fence line as property line.

My situation is a little different since there is a visible "Property Line".

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What if the property doesn't have a plat map? Not all parcels have recorded surveys, in fact I'd say less than half do. If you want to accurately mark your lines the only way to do it is get it surveyed. Any other way is guessing unless you can pull a string between the corners monuments. GPS takes measurements from outer space and can't be relied on for accuracy and the tax maps can be substantially off as well. GET IT SURVEYED! Anything else will end up costing you in the long run.
Not sure if I misundertand you, or you misunderstand me. But ALL properties have recorded corner markers/property lines. The GPS coordinates are only the help find the pins.
 

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Not sure if I misundertand you, or you misunderstand me. But ALL properties have recorded corner markers/property lines. The GPS coordinates are only the help find the pins.
All property has a legal description in the deed but not necessarily a plat map. They would only have this if the propty was surveyed and the survey was recorded in the register of deeds office.
 

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So Im guessing no fence? Correct way is get the property deed which will give you legal description, pretty easy to measure it off yourself. But official way is surveyor...I can tell you I just looked into this and it was going to cost me $3500, complete rip off IMO, so I guess I will keep the fence line as property line.

My situation is a little different since there is a visible "Property Line".


Good luck
You have no idea what you're talking about or what it takes to provide an accurate survey or you wouldn't make such an ignorant statement. How much land was involved? How do you know the fence is directly on the line? Is it perfectly straight? People think surveying is expensive but wait until you run into a situation where you needed a survey, then you'll realize how inexpensive it would have been.
 

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Can you talk to the neighboring property owners and establish where the corners and inline markers may be? It may be simpler to to get the deed or plat if available for near nothing than to pay a surveyor. I have done this many times and found the corners by walking and using the county's gis in conjunction with the deed or plat. Takes time but alot cheaper than paying someone to do it for you. Its all about the tools and using them.
 

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Get it surveyed no questions asked

As my first post ever and being a SURVEYOR myself. GET IT SURVEYED. If you can find old corners GREAT but, what about the adjoining properties? They may come back to you and say it's posted wrong. Go to your local court house and get deeds of the adjoining properties FOR FREE. Draw it up on a piece of paper where every adjoining PIN should be. This can help you to make sure you are tied into the right measurements. A survey will cost money no doubt, but it is the right thing. This will play a big role in the future if you do not get it surveyed and say someone else does and here you've been marking the wrong properties. There is a lot of legal boundary law and honestly if you can talk to the adjoining property land owners and discuss where the actual corners are it would be worth your time if you don't want to invest in a survey. If you should contact a surveyor he can do what you want him to do. Don't get discouraged by prices, they are estimates. He is going to have to do some research on your property and the adjoining properties to see what the troubles are. If you know where some corner locations are this will help him out a lot and honestly if he needs to blaze some brush lines OFFER to help, it would reduce your price significantly. It's also good to follow him or his crew around to learn some tips for other properties. I suggest get it surveyed and if you do not go that route I would talk to the adjoining property owners and ask them to show you where they think their corner is at. Go to the local court house and get the deeds for every adjoining properties so everyone is on the right page... Just my rant, I hate hearing people say it costs too much to have something surveyed. If you find your properties deed and adjoining properties and want to PM me, maybe I can plot them up with an aerial for you to help you find locations better if you don't want to spend money. Good Luck!
 

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Ten acres isn't that big. If you can find the corners you should be able to find lines. Never a bad idea to talk to the neighbors....Stay INSIDE the lines a bit and you'll be fine.

I'm a tree guy. I recommend you cut all "unsafe" trees. my mechanic always wants to fix stuff that's not really a problem...and the surveyor understandably believes that a certified survey is the way to go.

BTW,I had my lace surveyed to head off problems I foresaw with a neighbor. $400.

$3500? Either that guy owns some big acreage or he has MSU syndrome.

(MSU - makes s--- up)

(edit) Wisconsin has an online database for plat maps for 70 of our 72 counties. I know many other states have similar...google your county and GIS mapping. The aerials are good enough that I can see deer trails and tower stands.
 
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