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Do i need to spray the weeds first or does it really matter??? This will be the first plot i am making so the ground needs to be broken. It is in a spot where there are apple trees and a creek so i don't want to kill the trees or contaminate the stream! Any thoughts?????????
 

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Are you planning on spraying something like Round-Up, or what were you planning on spraying with?
 

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Not really sure what i am going to spray! I was thinking about spraying becuase it is going to be an AWESOME plot! I just want to make sure i do it right so i don't kill the 6 apple trees (which 3 had apples last year, and 4 the year before) I can't burn it becuase it isn't my land and i am afraid to start the grass and weeds on fire and burn up the whole woods!!!! Grass field will go up quick!!!! Another question, if i plow how deep do you think i can goo around the trees????
 

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Are you planning on doing a food plot in this area? The thing with spraying Round-Up is that it will wipe out everything. You will be safe spraying it around the apple trees, since it really only gets taken up through the leaves. Once it hits the soil it is rendered virtually useless. It also does not move laterally very easily, so you really don't need to worry about the stream as long as you don't get too close to it. If you spray something like a 3-way herbicide which will just take out the broadleafs, you will need to be more careful since the dicamba can move through the soil and be taken up by the apple tree roots and could prove to be lethal for the trees. Dicamba can also move laterally, so you need to provide a little more buffer between the spray area and the stream.

If you decide to go with spraying out with Round-Up, spray it and let the field sit for a couple of weeks. This will give the Round-Up time to move to the roots of the plants and kill them completely. If you only wait a few days you won't get a very good kill. Also, if you really want to "sterilize" the area, spray with Round-Up, let sit a couple of weeks, plow it up, let sit for a couple of weeks and then spray any weeds that start to pop up again.

When you plow, you will want to stay outside of the drip line of the trees, so that you don't disturb the surface roots. If you plow up the surface roots, there is a good chance the tree will struggle and possibly die.
 

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Thanks Bowsmith, Sounds like some really good information. If i spray round up can i get right next to the tree? If so then i could probably rake the dead weeds and do no til seed underneath the trees. Do you think that would work as long as i get good ground to soil contact. That way i am not killing the trees!
 

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I would contact a local grain elevator. They will have the info you need to get you going.
 

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You should be fine spraying around the trees. Just follow the label rate of the Round-Up and don't go too high on the rate. Also, I would keep the spray a couple of feet away from the tree. I've never sprayed around apple trees, but with most trees you are fine spraying around. I would only worry about thin-barked trees (Cherry, Crape Myrtle, etc) as the Round-Up could get absorbed through the bark.
 

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Always be careful around the trees with Round-up or the like. It'll kill more than you think. The problem you're going to have is that there are probably 1000 times more seeds in the ground now than weeds. You can kill the weeds, but the seeds will continue to sprout over time. They make products to mix with the soil that will kill the seeds as well, but I have no idea how that would interact with the trees. Go see a specialist in your area.
 

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plow?

If you are going to turn the ground over I would NOT spray first. You are just waisting your money and time if you do.Even if it kills everything you want it to,which it will,there are millions and millions of little seeds you will just be replanting after you turn it over. Turn it over then plant and then spray as needed. I do not know what you are planting but if it is beans or corn make sure you get round up ready stuff then you can spray as needed. Clover you'll need to get the chemicals from you local farm supply shop. You may need a person to pick it up with a chemical license as well depending on what you get. I think you will need 24D for clover,alfalfa,etc to get the weeds out of it and not kill the foodplot. If you are planting that you had better get a move on,you are already behind the gun.
 

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Bowsmith has it exactly right! I really like a general herbicide. Roundup is great but you pay a huge price for the name. Your local feed store can recommend a generic herbicide that will do the trick for 1/4 the price. Just remember to watch the wind drift, especially if you will be spraying near any agriculture fields. Usually, I try to be out by first light before any wind picks up, plus if there's any dew, I can see my tracks very well and I can prevent overspraying or missing areas. Good luck with your plot!
 

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If you are going to turn the ground over I would NOT spray first. You are just waisting your money and time if you do.Even if it kills everything you want it to,which it will,there are millions and millions of little seeds you will just be replanting after you turn it over. Turn it over then plant and then spray as needed. I do not know what you are planting but if it is beans or corn make sure you get round up ready stuff then you can spray as needed. Clover you'll need to get the chemicals from you local farm supply shop. You may need a person to pick it up with a chemical license as well depending on what you get. I think you will need 24D for clover,alfalfa,etc to get the weeds out of it and not kill the foodplot. If you are planting that you had better get a move on,you are already behind the gun.
Already behind the gun????? The snow is Still on the ground here in WI! Hopefully the rain today will melt the remaining snow and then it will take 2 weeks for it to dry out!!!!!! I figured if i get it in the ground by the middle of May that would leave plenty of time for it to grow all summer! Any thoughts on planting corn? Will the deer leave it alone long enough to get ears by fall???
 

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What will your food plot consist of ?


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I am planning on planting a smorgasboard of things. Mostly clover, chicory, corn.... things like that. Have any suggestions? Is there a good way to keep the deer out of it to let it establish before they pound it?
 

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Do i need to spray the weeds first or does it really matter??? This will be the first plot i am making so the ground needs to be broken. It is in a spot where there are apple trees and a creek so i don't want to kill the trees or contaminate the stream! Any thoughts?????????

If all you have is weeds to plow over , plow first and as deep as your plow can deliver. Then cultivate the plowed ground. Use a pre,emergence for weed growth. This will kill of the weed seeds early and give the new plants time to sprout.


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Already behind the gun????? The snow is Still on the ground here in WI! Hopefully the rain today will melt the remaining snow and then it will take 2 weeks for it to dry out!!!!!! I figured if i get it in the ground by the middle of May that would leave plenty of time for it to grow all summer! Any thoughts on planting corn? Will the deer leave it alone long enough to get ears by fall???
I spray if the weeds are too big for the plot to plow well when the weeds are green. Dead weeds plow under better. If you do spray, Round-Up or Killz-All (same thing, different name) work great on grasses and broadleaf weeds. Ya don't wanna mix it too hot though......then it'll only burn the leaves and won't be absorbed down to the roots. If you're planting corn, ya might try some BioLogic BioMax. It's Round-Up ready so you can control weeds all thru the Summer with that stuff.
 

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When i spray how long should i wait before i either plow or plant after i spray??? I can use both the weed killer and the seed killer at the same time correct? Man there is a lot of work invovled in food plotting!!!! BUT FUN!!!! I know that it will produce deer if i do it right!!!! I see deer now but with a plot I will see more!!!!!
 
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