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these are 2 questions i got thinking about the other day, and would like your opinions.
question one, who gives you the right to hunt? most everybody will have a different answer, but for you personally, who gives the right? is it god given, a right simply because you are human, or country/law given right?
question 2, is kind is a bit different. i was talking to a guy the other day about the desire to tax and restrict ammo and guns. he said, if it ever comes to turning in my gun, or breaking the law and keeping it, ill have to keep it because its a god given right to protect and provide for myself. i thought, thats a good way of looking at it, but then i thought, when do you draw the line? will it come down to the total outlaw of guns and hunting before you "break the law" and continue to hunt and own guns? at what point do you stop "obeying" the law, and start excersising your god or personal given rights to hunt and own guns. at what crazy law or season do we draw the line and say enough is enough?
once again, i am not looking for the "right" answer, i want to get some personal opinions on this. :darkbeer:
 

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Well first off no where is it writen that we have the right to hunt, it is a privlage that the rest of sociaty affords us. That is why it is important for all of us to ge good ambasadors of our sprot.

Second in order for them to take our guns they(government) will have to over turn the second amendment. Not likely to happen any time soon as the supreme court just proved last summer when they shot down the D.C. law banning hand guns.
 

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#1 hunting is a priviledge given to us by each state we live in, and can be restricted or taken away at any time.
#2 the right to bear arms is protected by the 2nd amendment( and that does not just mean fire arms) a bow or knife or any other form of arm you can think of is protected even though it can be restricted by law,ie. machine guns and some other military weapons come to mind.
The democrats are keeping their promise though about ammo, just look at the shortage at the present time, and have you tried to buy components recently there are none to be had, in stores or online.
 

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Just like driving....not a right...a privilege...keep your nose clean and you keep your licence,but break the law and you can loose them.As for ? 2.....really don't want to get into the Political thing about it.Why?....out of the 30 guns i own,all are rifles and shotguns which are designed to hunt with....no hand guns,no ak's etc....Their not after my hunting guns,so i'm really not worried about or concerned about it...i don't have a dog in that fight.
 

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Just like driving....not a right...a privilege...keep your nose clean and you keep your licence,but break the law and you can loose them.As for ? 2.....really don't want to get into the Political thing about it.Why?....out of the 30 guns i own,all are rifles and shotguns which are designed to hunt with....no hand guns,no ak's etc....Their not after my hunting guns,so i'm really not worried about or concerned about it...i don't have a dog in that fight.
Please don't be mistaken, it's not just the "AK's and handguns" that we're in danger of loosing.
 

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Please don't be mistaken, it's not just the "AK's and handguns" that we're in danger of loosing.
At one time i kept up with all this political stuff and decided if it happened...it happened.Not trying to sound negitive....or uncareing.I posted an artical here a couple wks ago that stated.....that Obama has no intention of taking away our 2nd amendment rights.Some guns...who knows...but i honestly don't think their working to take our guns that the sole use for them is hunting.Mho...that would put the economy in worst trouble than it already is.
 

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It starts with one, which will never be enough until it's all. Obey the law that's what we're supose to do, but it's the idiots that give us law obiders a bad name. And a bad name is all they need to start the fight.
 

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They have already succeeded in installing a "natural" population control (wolves). They have eliminated hunting of other predators in some states and some seasons (bears and cougars). So in their eyes........what good are we as hunters to our society and conservation. We are now the expendable ones. We're falling right into their plan to eliminate this pivilege.:sad:

Some have probably already seen this, don't know if it's true or not, but the meaning is definitely spot on....and is exactly what they're doing with hunting in our country.

Chemistry professor in a large college had some exchange students in the class.. One day while the class was in the lab the Professor noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back, and stretching as if his back hurt.

The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government.

In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question. He asked, 'Do you know how to catch wild pigs?'

The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line.

The young man said this was no joke. 'You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in The last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd. Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity. The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America . The government keeps pushing us toward socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops , welfare, medicine, drugs, etc.. While we continually lose our freedoms -- just a little at a time.

One should always remember: There is no such thing as a free lunch! Also, a politician will never provide a service for you cheaper than you can do it yourself.
 

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I give me the right to hunt and bear arms as I see fit. The fact that i am a free man lets me decide when and what to hunt and when and what kind of gun that I will carry. Another man will not dicatate to me as to what I should do. I understand that we have laws and that they should be followed. But the right to hunt and keep guns and defend myself and my family is something that no one can give or take away.
 

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They have already succeeded in installing a "natural" population control (wolves). They have eliminated hunting of other predators in some states and some seasons (bears and cougars). So in their eyes........what good are we as hunters to our society and conservation. We are now the expendable ones. We're falling right into their plan to eliminate this pivilege.:sad:

Some have probably already seen this, don't know if it's true or not, but the meaning is definitely spot on....and is exactly what they're doing with hunting in our country.

Chemistry professor in a large college had some exchange students in the class.. One day while the class was in the lab the Professor noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back, and stretching as if his back hurt.

The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government.

In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question. He asked, 'Do you know how to catch wild pigs?'

The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line.

The young man said this was no joke. 'You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in The last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd. Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity. The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America . The government keeps pushing us toward socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops , welfare, medicine, drugs, etc.. While we continually lose our freedoms -- just a little at a time.

One should always remember: There is no such thing as a free lunch! Also, a politician will never provide a service for you cheaper than you can do it yourself.
Good post.Wish we had someone on here that was actully in office....than tell us the straight truth about what we want to know.
 

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I give me the right to hunt and bear arms as I see fit. The fact that i am a free man lets me decide when and what to hunt and when and what kind of gun that I will carry. Another man will not dicatate to me as to what I should do. I understand that we have laws and that they should be followed. But the right to hunt and keep guns and defend myself and my family is something that no one can give or take away.
So if a cop sees you carrying a gun in a school and tries to place you under arrest what do you do?

If a game warden stops you for hunting deer in May (The fact that i am a free man lets me decide when and what to hunt) and tries to place you under arrest what do you do?
 

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It is not a "god given right" to have firearms. It is a right given to you by the founders of our country and the lawmakers. They can take it away at any time, and unless you want to break the law, you will have to turn in your guns, simple as that.

Now, would I turn in my handgun if they made it mandatory?.....probably. It doesnt mean I would like it.
 

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Well first off no where is it writen that we have the right to hunt, it is a privlage that the rest of sociaty affords us. That is why it is important for all of us to ge good ambasadors of our sprot.

Second in order for them to take our guns they(government) will have to over turn the second amendment. Not likely to happen any time soon as the supreme court just proved last summer when they shot down the D.C. law banning hand guns.
I agree with popesteve 100%. A very calm logical answer...also the first response... Now I am going to read the rest of the responses looking for the inevitable...GOD gives me the right and "From my cold dead fingers"...and when they come for my gun they will have to kill me!!!

Better known as the highly emotional...not very well thought out answers.
 

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I give me the right to hunt and bear arms as I see fit. The fact that i am a free man lets me decide when and what to hunt and when and what kind of gun that I will carry. Another man will not dicatate to me as to what I should do.
I understand that we have laws and that they should be followed. But the right to hunt and keep guns and defend myself and my family is something that no one can give or take away.

And we have a winner.....
 

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will they be able to limmit what we have and get around taking our guns away? they are certantly trying. Allthough I wonder how much of the shortage in due to increase demand on gun and ammo sales and how much is shortage by our two wars? I am thinking that those are the real problems as nothing remarkable has passed as of yet and since there is a demand the gun and ammo companies would certanly fill it if they could. After all its only money in their pocket.
 

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will they be able to limmit what we have and get around taking our guns away? they are certantly trying. Allthough I wonder how much of the shortage in due to increase demand on gun and ammo sales and how much is shortage by our two wars? I am thinking that those are the real problems as nothing remarkable has passed as of yet and since there is a demand the gun and ammo companies would certanly fill it if they could. After all its only money in their pocket.
It is my understanding that ammo availability has gone down and prices have gone up simply because of supply and demand. With 2 wars going on there has been a big demand for ammo and ammo components. This was going on for the last few years too...not just since last November.
 

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It is not a "god given right" to have firearms. It is a right given to you by the founders of our country and the lawmakers. They can take it away at any time, and unless you want to break the law, you will have to turn in your guns, simple as that.
The Founders did not "give" us any rights, and the Constitution does not "give" us any rights. The Constitution, and the Bill of rights and the subsequent Amendments, tell the government what it CAN NOT DO! Until people realize this, regardless of personal politics, the story 5Miles posted becomes truer everyday.

It is the "secret" that government does not want people to know...the Constitution, Founders, or government itself, did not grant rights...it limited what they (the government) could do...
 

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I understand the laws of hunting seasons and realize that it is unacceptable to carry guns at certain places (ie schools, bars, etc). The point i was trying to make was that the government does not grant a man the right to hunt. Was there a government that granted the Indians the right to hunt? How can they? Do they own the game? NO. The government can set bag limits on game and to when they can be taken. These guidelines are set according to when the game is bearing its young and when its not.
As far as government, "granting" me the right to bear arms. Thats ridiculous. Do I not have the right to protect myself and my family by any means available to me? Be it a gun, knife, stick. or whatever. The right to bear arms was not "given" to us by lawmakers or the founders of our country. It was a right that was fought for many times over. So, hardball15, i will not accept the fact that i was "given" a right by a lawmaker and that that same lawmaker could take it away.
 

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The Founders did not "give" us any rights, and the Constitution does not "give" us any rights. The Constitution, and the Bill of rights and the subsequent Amendments, tell the government what it CAN NOT DO! Until people realize this, regardless of personal politics, the story 5Miles posted becomes truer everyday.

It is the "secret" that government does not want people to know...the Constitution, Founders, or government itself, did not grant rights...it limited what they (the government) could do...

Perfect response
 
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