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Otherwise titled, "Try leaving a Mannequin or a Dummy in your stand next time because all your deer stands and blinds look REALLY EMPTY!"

I know this because a few falls ago I participated in a land navigation/orienteering course that covered parts of rural Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Maryland, and I was thereby able to view probably 100 deer different stands on various people’s land and except for a very few they were all painfully empty.

For instance, there was either a ton of sky visible inside every one of the enclosed blinds I saw or the ladder stands were simply empty. For this reason, any deer worth it’s deer salt would have zero difficulty visually identifying something completely different inside that blind when you are in there vs. when you are not in there.

Therefore, a solution I borrow from the military would be to put a mannequin or dummy inside your blind or on your stand so that the deer get used to seeing a human figure inside when you are not.

The reason a mannequin looks pretty much exactly like you do is because outside the back gate of Ft. Riley there is an Iraq-style FOB used for training and it's guard tower has a mannequin and every single time I drove by that FOB I did a double take because I would see the mannequin looking down on me and wonder who was up there.

In contrast, every single deer stand I passed on that multi-week 100+ mile land navigation course looked bare empty. I thought at the time that combining the two or a mannequin + your deer stand would completely resolve the issue because when the deer pass that stand they look up, do the double take upon seeing the human figure in the tree, and go on their way. Like anything else in their environment the deer would eventually get used to the mannequin sitting in the tree and then not be concerned come October when it is you there instead.

Now where you get the mannequin, how you dress them, whether they fall out at some point, or how you get them out when you want to sit up there I have no idea? This is entirely up to you because I have no knowledge of the subject. I just know all your deer stands look painfully empty when walking by them.

For instance, I saw 22’ ladder stands on the top of 4,400’ ridges, every hang-on stand in Cabela’s, homemade box blinds on stilts, professionally built wooden guard tower-style blinds with staircases, a whole series of perhaps 12’ tall boxes that appeared to have a UTV/4 Wheeler garage’s in the base for parking your UTV while you hunt.

One guy had a box blind on the ridge about 100’ above the creek with a corn feeder on the creek. He had corrugated tin attached to the sides of the trees surrounding the corn feeder apparently to increase the noise when the feeder was throwing corn. That blind was perhaps the only one that I could not see into nor could really even get a look at it without craning my neck way up. There is no way that guy got busted in that blind.

Hunters had open box blinds on either side of food plots in lush bottoms along creeks with Big-N-Beasty style food plots in the middle that would have won the county fair for super garden.

There were some really nice blinds and then there were ones with about 15 different spike mounts attached to the outside. I found interesting that all the blinds in certain areas were almost identical because this indicated that the local hunters got together and shared technique. That being said, a one county over the setups were entirely different.

Throughout my orienteering, which I might add was totally legal and sanctioned by all mentioned property owners (you know who you are), the one observation that struck me over and over was how bare the blinds looked without a hunter in them. Perhaps surrounding the open stands with a hanging camouflage net might work to conceal your presence? The box or enclosed blinds however would definitely have benefited from a mannequin to occupy the space inside when not occupied by a hunter.

If a mannequin will not fit into your offseason blind/stand plans at least put some sort of plastic E-type silhouette target in each window. In fact, a weatherproof human silhouette target might be more easy to get out of the way on the days you do decide to hunt that particular stand.

At any rate take some sort of precaution to ensure your blind setup does not silhouette you against the sky as did the professional one with its huge, sliding glass windows.

For those of you, including myself, who hunt in open stands I highly doubt the deer will be fooled by our Realtree or Mossy Oak camo patterns, we are just far too big and far too new for the camo to be a complete solution. I have to remember that camo clothing is not the cloak of invisibility I want it to be.

Or if you are happy with your current setup, DON’T CHANGE A THING.

Either way, good luck this deer season! Thanks for reading.
 
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Upon further consideration and in addition to the above what do you bet having a realistic type of dummy in all your deer stands would do for keeping trespassers off your property ...
 
Interesting thoughts. But I doubt that I personally would employ that strategy. I use ladder stands exclusively, but always try to set them up so that I am not sky lined.
 
I saw a fully clothed (camo & orange) mannequin in a treestand in southern Maine probably about 20-25 years ago. I went back a week or so later, and someone had stolen all the camo, orange, boots, gloves, hat, etc, and shot the mannequin. There are some real jerks out there...
 
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Thank you for your good replies because I am unsure about inflatable stand dummies? I, however, do know the solid dummies the army uses look perfect from closer than 100'. In fact, when I saw the army mannequins at Ft. Riley I would inevitably think there was a person in the guard tower. I would then slow down and look really closely while driving by and still think the mannequin looked like a person. My reaction to the tower mannequin is probably due to the same effect a deer or turkey decoy has on those game animals?

When writing this post, I considered a blow-up s*x doll such as on the movie “Airplane” but could not think of how to explain it to my wife. On second thought perhaps that is an excellent excuse to purchase 5-6 of those type of inflatables, I suppose each situation is unique. What I do know is that when we are focused on our stand only in and around the few days we hunt it and then leave it sit the remainder of the year it is obvious to anyone and everything that nothing is in that stand when we are not.

Sidebar -- in the above example of "stealing the dummies clothing and shooting it" in doing so the bad actor thereby moved themselves from what was at most a simple trespassing ticket to charges of: (1) larceny, (2) destruction of private property, (3) likely felony vandalism as they used a firearm in the commission thereof, (4) vandalism, (5) disturbing the peace, etc., and etc..

In fact, if trespassers are your concern you could employ an army sniper technique from Iraq which is to put out some easy to see/easy to carry "bait" that has an actual value of over $500 and cover the location with multiple trail cams. When the originally only-trespassing individual picks up the "bait" and walks off with it they then have committed Grand Theft - A Felony. At that point you can skip the game warden and go straight to the sheriff with your photographic evidence. I bet that particular individual is perhaps less likely to come back after the case has wound its way through the court system.

However, returning to my original point of this posting which is hunting and that without something human-shaped in them, your stands and blinds look obviously empty to the game animals you hunt. For an example from the game’s perspective, think about how obvious that highway patrol car looks sitting in the median vs. when it is not …

Furthermore, leaving mannequins in your stands and blinds during the year so as to condition the game animals to seeing that type of visual object in that particular location would simply give you an additional tool to enable you to put that trophy on your wall. Because on Oct. 31st, during the unexpected cold snap, when that trophy game animal glimpses you instead of the mannequin in that particular stand they will not give you that second look and you have gained the drop on them.

Think about this in the context of the decoy section at your local or internet outdoor store. How much money do people spend on deer decoys that they use, at most, 14 days out of the year? If they were to spend that identical amount of money on a mannequin to leave in their deer stand they hunt for the same two weeks they are getting 351 days use out of the same amount of money spent. That is 14 days for a deer decoy or 351 days for a human mannequin.
If you are still on the fence or undecided about this issue next spring, when you are out shed or turkey hunting, take a minute to walk by your stands and blinds and decide for yourself whether they would appear different with you in them.
 
years ago there was a product called Hunter's Buddy. I t was a little mannequin with either camo or an orange vest. He was meant to be left in your stand for the deer to get used to seeing that form up there. I like to put a swath of camo clothe from my tree and out to something towards the front. Anything to break my outline. I have a blind and have camo on the back wall. the deer don't even look at the blind when I'm in there. Later with the black out.
 
I have often thought of this issue that you have brought up and wondered if placing a dummy in the stand during the off-season would indeed help this dummy sitting in the stand DURING the season. The problem THIS dummy has is figuring out what to do with the other dummy while hunting. Perhaps lowering it to the ground with a camo tarp would solve that little problem.
 
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DoubleLung'er, yours really is the question and I like your answer. The blinds that appeared best suited for a dummy because they looked the most empty during my multi-state woodland trek were the box blinds. The box blinds seemed best suited for off season dummy placement because they would keep the dummy out of the elements. Perhaps the dummy could be suspended from the roof by an eyelet screw in the top of its head with wire attached to the ceiling? If the box blind is like the various enclosed blinds from which I have hunted the dummy would only need a torso, i.e. no legs, because of the enclosing walls and then the dummy could perhaps even serve as a footrest for the hunter when they occupy the blind as you could probably put the torso on the floor and rest your feet on it.

In addition, the ladder stands I had the opportunity to observe during my orienteering event perhaps would have only required a torso as well? This is because I personally always try to surround my ladder and hang on stands with some type of camo netting for the purpose that I am able to move my hands while hunting without the movement being observable – such as when my wife feels the need to text me constantly in the tree and then I feel the need to reply. However, in the ladder or hang on stands, the torso or full dummy could then simply be wrapped in camo cloth or netting and hung beneath the stand platform while the hunter was actively in the stand. Moving the dummy out of the seat, into some camo netting, and then under the stand platform would seem to actually be feasible, involve the little effort, and probably work? The wrapped dummy would not then appear to be out of the ordinary or a human shape as it hangs against the tree and therefore should not give the deer any reason for alarm.

Hoyt Havoc thank you for replying. I like your idea of using shoot-through mesh. Is using shoot through mesh in box blinds a common practice? Do you simply buy it in bulk from a ground blind manufacturer or is there perhaps an alternate fabric that works as a DIY shoot-through mesh?

Another question for which I do not have an answer is where you would purchase used/inexpensive clothing or store dummies for stand placement?
 
Yeah get the sex doll! Once you get into the stand you can deflate it and it fits in your pack. Just blow it back up before you leave...
I'd probably call the authorities if I ever encountered a sex doll in a tree stand. What kind of sick stuff is that guy into? :pukey:
 
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Marv.Schmitz87, DaĂź ist echt lustig, nicht? Or "that is truly funny" and it really is. Because now when I think about it I have not seen an ad for a sex doll since Playboy's came in paper versions circa Desert Storm. At any rate, thank you for your good reply because you have me considering where to find inexpensive and portable treestand dummies.

However, before I continue please remember I began this posting to convey my observation that the great majority of the 100+ deer stands and blinds I viewed were easily identifiable as empty during my several week’s long orienteering exercise through the backwoods of several East Coast states. I feel as though I may therefore assume that if all those various hardworking hunters and hunt clubs were not taking precautions to ensure their blinds did not appear empty when they were not in them likely quite a few hunters in the rest of the country to include on AT are also not taking precautions to prevent their empty hunting locations from appearing as such.

Because I do not own or lease hunting property I cannot incorporate any of these off season strategies in my own personal hunting plan. I hunt on either public or military property and from portable tree stands that I take in and out with me the same day, so for me this is a non-issue. I posted this topic with the intent of giving all the good people here on AT an alternative view of their own hunting scheme that they may not be aware of so as to “repay” all the many AT members whose super good ideas I DO incorporate into my own hunting scheme. 90% is probably a low estimate of the “non-original” hunting strategy I incorporate into my own time in the deer woods.

In fact, I really do not believe I learned anything at all on my own while out hunting as a kid in the pre-internet days because I never saw any deer, I invariably froze to death within 30 minutes of getting in the tree, had very little fun, and ultimately because I was having no fun quit hunting for 20 years. On the other hand, since I resumed hunting eight years ago I have had good success harvesting deer sized far in excess of what I previously considered “shooters,” I see tons of deer every time I go in the woods, I am comfortable in the cold, and I now feel confident enough in both my strategy and equipment to be taking the first steps towards archery hunting. I appreciate the misery of my original deer hunting days because it makes me that much more grateful for my enjoyment in the deer woods today. In particular, I am so grateful for all the superb strategy and advice I find here on AT from all you great members. Thank you!

Continued from Marv.Schmitz87’s reply above: An inflatable sex doll or dummy would otherwise be ideal for placement in the deer stand however I doubt there is one out there that would remain inflated for the six to eight months between visits to your deer stand or Hochsitz. My opinion is that the inflatable sex dolls would lose their air and hang limply doing you no good whatsoever because if my Sea Eagle lifeboat cannot remain inflated during the several hours I have it on the river I highly doubt an inflatable of lesser quality would remain inflated longer?

However, what if you got a sex doll, inflated it, and then made incisions in the doll’s back to get your hand and a can of construction “big gap” aerosol foam from the home improvement store inside so that you could fill the legs starting at the feet and moving into the hip region and then doing the same with the hands into the arms and then head so that your “sex doll” was then semi-solid and would thereby retain its form indefinitely?

In the alternative perhaps you could use styrofoam packing “peanuts” to fill the sex doll because prior to hardening, construction foam collapses under any weight. Finally, you could seal the incisions in the doll with tape so that the “peanuts” do not fall out. However, if you could get the construction foam in the doll to harden in its inflated or lifelike form that would be key because that “big gap” foam is super rigid as well as lightweight …

In the alternative, perhaps you could inflate your sex doll into a sitting position, spray the outside with construction foam so that it hardens into the shape of an extremely oversized person. Then after it dries you could paint it camouflage, attach it to your seat in the stand or blind, and thereby finalize your plan to accustom your deer population to seeing camo clad, person-shaped objects in all your tree stands and deer blinds. Other than the fact that your spray foamed sex doll would end up looking like a camo version of The Thing from “The Fantastic Four” this might actually be a fun offseason project?

In addition to accustoming your deer population to seeing you in the tree you could hope, as noted above, that any potential trespassers would have your same reaction or that there are some sick individuals hanging out in the tree stands and for that reason leave your land for somewhere less depraved because it is difficult to call the authorities when you are the original trespasser.
 
My 14 yo Grandson initiated this same discussion with me last deer season. He was in a relevant class in school and applied what he learned to hunting. I thought it was such a great idea that I started looking into mannequin pricing. They are pretty expensive. I had not thought of the inflatable sex doll.

I think this is a great idea. However it needs a low budget solution. Even if it's just the top half of a body.
 
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CLT Bluesman, thank you for that good observation. For a low budget solution could you could inflate your sex doll into a sitting position, spray the outside with construction foam so that it hardens into the shape of an extremely oversized sitting person. After the foam dries you could paint it camouflage, carry it to the woods, attach it to your seat in the stand or blind, and thereby implement your plan to accustom the deer population on your property to seeing camo clad, person-shaped objects in all your tree stands and deer blinds. Other than the fact that your spray-foamed sex doll would end up looking like a camo version of The Thing from “The Fantastic Four” this might actually be a fun offseason project?
 
I have to ask. Where does one get a sex doll. I'm afraid to google it. My wife likes to check my history every now and then. I had a lot of splaning to do once when I tried to google an old girlfriend from 1975. She's like Sherlock Holmes.
 
Actually right now is the perfect time to obtain an inflatable that might work. There are inflatable Halloween decorations and inflatable Santas that would work good with a little modification. In fact the inflatable Santas are the right body type for a lot of us. Lol
 
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Yessir, our preacher preached a sermon about how your spouse (read wife) should have access to all your logins. Even when I did not give my wife my logins when we first started dating she would figure them out so I gave up trying to change them. This combination looks reasonable:

https://www.amazon.com/Dummy-Full-S...=sr_1_18?ie=UTF8&qid=1477179285&sr=8-18-spons&keywords=lifesize+mannequin&psc=1
and
https://www.amazon.com/Rubies-Costu...ZY35KRKE0GH4BBB9&pd_rd_w=3Q3fV&pd_rd_wg=96Ve2&psc=1&refRID=G1XRZY35KRKE0GH4BBB9

And weighs only 5 lbs.
 
Maybe we're overcomplicating things a bit here and potentially investing much more money than needed (especially if you have several stands). Deer probably aren't too analytical, so a simple scarecrow (or shall we call it the Deer Soother?) should suffice for our purpose. Go to the local Salvation army store and buy a camo shirt, pants and face mask for what, perhaps $5 each (or less)? On the other hand, you might already have some worn out hunting clothes that wouldn't cost you a dime. Sew the ends of the pant legs and shirt sleeves shut and then sew the shirttail to the pants. Stuff the entire thing full of straw or whatever else you can think of and then sew the front and neck of the shirt closed. Stuff the mask and sew it to the top of the shirt. You should be able to position Deer Soother in any manner you like in your stand and keep it in place with bungees. My biggest concern would be rodent damage (our squirrels love to destroy tree stand seats) but if you put it out late summer and pulled it back out late winter the damage would be minimized.
 
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