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Last weekend my son had a pass-thru on a deer from my stand. I helped him recover the deer and all was well except for him lamenting about losing a new Hex arrow with lighted nock and a brand new broadhead. Two days later I was sitting the same stand in the late afternoon and while quietly scanning the area I happened to notice a strange orange glow near the base of a tree nearby. It was his arrow, a full two days later, none the worse for wear. Thinking about giving them a try myself now.
 
Trick question, IMHO Both are disadvantages. Adding non-usefull weight to the rear of the arrow is simply counter productive. Keep the knock end as light as practical is my stance on this one.
How is the lighted nock not useful? Or even a reflective wrap? They both serve a purpose. Recover arrow or perhaps an animal.Ive been using nockturnals since they came out. No real problems with them. Help me see exactly where my arrow has hit an animal. Which helps me determine how soon to take up the track job. I’d call that very useful. Do I need them, no. But they’re nice to have.
 
Trick question, IMHO Both are disadvantages. Adding non-useful weight to the rear of the arrow is simply counter productive. Keep the knock end as light as practical is my stance on this one.
I use a small probably 1/4" wide 3m reflective wrap in front and behind my fletching. It's like 2 grains and makes it much easier at night looking for an arrow. It just pops with my LED.

I don't disagree and don't care for weight at the nock end either. It does add benefit though.... as very often I sure wished I had a lighted nock when my 442 grain arrow (that isn't supposed to, but nearly always) blows through so fast I barely know where I hit.

The only reason not to shoot lighted nocks is due to nock fit and cost in my opinion. I damage a fair amount of nocks shooting and just got tired of it.
 
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I’m thinking what I’ll do is stick with the .204 diameter, switch to the AAE IP nocks, and use some reflective material (probably above the fletchings) for my primary setup. I’ll tune around that and then see how a lighted nock works with that setup. If it’s the same/similar, I can always keep a couple in my quiver for when I think it will be beneficial. That being said, what lighted nocks match up well with the AAE IP nocks for .204 shafts?
 
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Trick question, IMHO Both are disadvantages. Adding non-usefull weight to the rear of the arrow is simply counter productive. Keep the knock end as light as practical is my stance on this one.
I get what you’re saying but I’m not sure I'd call lighted nocks and wraps non-usefull. An argument could be made for unnecessary I suppose. I shot feathers for a long time to minimize the weight on the nock end and attain better broadhead flight but found them to be pretty loud and after a certain distance they had more drop than a vane due to high amount of drag. I still shoot feathers on my trad setup though.
 
I use both on my hunting arrow.
I really like the light at the shot, definitely makes identifying the shot placement much easier. Sometimes hair, meat, blood or impact can cause a lighted nock to switch off. This is when a reflective wrap is a necessity for me.
I use the red and green strobing nocturnal nocks and a 6" white reflective onestringer wrap with 3 white blazer vanes.
for some reason the strobing effect shows up easily for me.
 
I get what you’re saying but I’m not sure I'd call lighted nocks and wraps non-usefull. An argument could be made for unnecessary I suppose. I shot feathers for a long time to minimize the weight on the nock end and attain better broadhead flight but found them to be pretty loud and after a certain distance they had more drop than a vane due to high amount of drag. I still shoot feathers on my trad setup though.
Yes we need to pick our battles. I see the lighted knocks as a cool factor thing, That is they look cool on video. Yea they may aid in recognizing a shot placement. Though in my honest opinion I feel the potential gain is largely lost if not on video. Me sharing what works for me is offending to some and for that i am not sorry. I am sorry some take offense, though this is just my take on the matter.

Perhaps I am overly simplistic, though I have done well in terms of deer recovery without lighted knocks. I have also done well in terms of arrow recovery without lighted knocks. If the quality / durability of the lighted knocks was equal or better in terms of durability & promoting good arrow flight I would perhaps have a different perspective. If the lighted knocks added no extra weight to the back of the arrow Id have a diffrent view.

For the responder that suggested a small narrow band of reflective wrap to aid in finding the arrow. This seems reasonable to me.

If folks are really inclined to use the lighted knocks & wraps, I do not mean to criticize. I just feel they are falling into a marketing ploy. If you are one to video your hunts I can see where this would enhance the video. Though as a individual that does not video my hunts Ill prefer to add weight in the opposite end of the arrow enhancing FOC as opposed to detracting from a higher FOC.

My focus is on true arrow flight to & through the target animal & quick clean kills. In my experience this is best accomplished with focus on other benefits like structural integrity & sharp really sharp broad heads that slice there way through highly vascular tissue. When this is exercised properly the wow factor of experiencing deer expire inside of 50 yards far exceeds the cool factor of a lighted knock.

You can have it both ways though I feel my chances are better of a clean shot through & through with less weight on the rear of the arrow while using a high quality knock. There are some fairly good quality lighted knocks & if you do insist on using a lighted knock, Id encourage a strong emphasis on striving for quality.

For me I'll put more focus on the BH side of things. Too few recognize the value of sharp broad heads that remain sharp when passing through the rib cage IMHO. This is the cool factor that too few appreciate as relatively few are promoting this aspect, would be my point of view. Really short recovery is how this cool factor is realized. This approach is what has been working well for me.

YMMV

Can't argue that the lighted knocks do look cool on video when every thing works right though.
 
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Yes we need to pick our battles. I see the lighted knocks as a cool factor thing, That is they look cool on video. Yea they may aid in recognizing a shot placement. Though in my honest opinion I feel the potential gain is largely lost if not on video. Me sharing what works for me is offending to some and for that i am not sorry. I am sorry some take offense, though this is just my take on the matter.

Perhaps I am overly simplistic, though I have done well in terms of deer recovery without lighted knocks. I have also done well in terms of arrow recovery without lighted knocks. If the quality / durability of the lighted knocks was equal or better in terms of durability & promoting good arrow flight I would perhaps have a different perspective. If the lighted knocks added no extra weight to the back of the arrow Id have a diffrent view.

For the responder that suggested a small narrow band of reflective wrap to aid in finding the arrow. This seems reasonable to me.

If folks are really inclined to use the lighted knocks & wraps, I do not mean to criticize. I just feel they are falling into a marketing ploy. If you are one to video your hunts I can see where this would enhance the video. Though as a individual that does not video my hunts Ill prefer to add weight in the opposite end of the arrow enhancing FOC as opposed to detracting from a higher FOC.

My focus is on true arrow flight to & through the target animal & quick clean kills. In my experience this is best accomplished with focus on other benefits like structural integrity & sharp really sharp broad heads that slice there way through highly vascular tissue. When this is exercised properly the wow factor of experiencing deer expire inside of 50 yards far exceeds the cool factor of a lighted knock.

You can have it both ways though I feel my chances are better of a clean shot through & through with less weight on the rear of the arrow while using a high quality knock. There are some fairly good quality lighted knocks & if you do insist on using a lighted knock, Id encourage a strong emphasis on striving for quality.

For me I'll put more focus on the BH side of things. Too few recognize the value of sharp broad heads that remain sharp when passing through the rib cage IMHO. This is the cool factor that too few appreciate as relatively few are promoting this aspect, would be my point of view. Really short recovery is how this cool factor is realized. This approach is what has been working well for me.

YMMV

Can't argue that the lighted knocks do look cool on video when every thing works right though.
I think we are on the same page for the most part. 100% agree on the importance of sharp quality heads and quick recoveries. I have sharpening equipment and noticed a difference in track jobs (shorter) after I focused on getting my heads as sharp as possible. I had been using Magnus black hornets and QAD exodus heads and now have some iron will will wide heads. The main reason I’m still wanting either a lighted nock and/or reflective material is to improve my odds of finding that iron will because they don’t give them away.
 
Guess I am generally lucky these days. I'll attribute that luck to tree stand / saddle hunting for the most part. I seldom shoot more than 20 yards. Arrows are always found within 15 feet on the off side of the shot.

I could see where spot & stalk, ground / blind hunters experience would vary considerably.
 
With arrows so light these days there is no reason to worry about FOC IMO. Just build a lighter arrow and then offset the wrap or lighted nock with a heavier point or insert.....no biggie unless you need a crazy light arrow.

I used the reflective wraps for years and the only bad thing about them is they are a BEAR to get off. I'd hear people say how easy wraps were to remove and argue with them here all the time and then I found out it's the reflective wraps that were the culprit.

I finally tried some Flo Orange standards and they came right off with a little heat. Night & day difference. I don't feel the need to see the arrow better in flight I just want to find it after the shot. Most times it's in the ground anyway........this year that could change........we will see............lol
 
Yes we need to pick our battles. I see the lighted knocks as a cool factor thing, That is they look cool on video. Yea they may aid in recognizing a shot placement. Though in my honest opinion I feel the potential gain is largely lost if not on video. Me sharing what works for me is offending to some and for that i am not sorry. I am sorry some take offense, though this is just my take on the matter.

Perhaps I am overly simplistic, though I have done well in terms of deer recovery without lighted knocks. I have also done well in terms of arrow recovery without lighted knocks. If the quality / durability of the lighted knocks was equal or better in terms of durability & promoting good arrow flight I would perhaps have a different perspective. If the lighted knocks added no extra weight to the back of the arrow Id have a diffrent view.

For the responder that suggested a small narrow band of reflective wrap to aid in finding the arrow. This seems reasonable to me.

If folks are really inclined to use the lighted knocks & wraps, I do not mean to criticize. I just feel they are falling into a marketing ploy. If you are one to video your hunts I can see where this would enhance the video. Though as a individual that does not video my hunts Ill prefer to add weight in the opposite end of the arrow enhancing FOC as opposed to detracting from a higher FOC.

My focus is on true arrow flight to & through the target animal & quick clean kills. In my experience this is best accomplished with focus on other benefits like structural integrity & sharp really sharp broad heads that slice there way through highly vascular tissue. When this is exercised properly the wow factor of experiencing deer expire inside of 50 yards far exceeds the cool factor of a lighted knock.

You can have it both ways though I feel my chances are better of a clean shot through & through with less weight on the rear of the arrow while using a high quality knock. There are some fairly good quality lighted knocks & if you do insist on using a lighted knock, Id encourage a strong emphasis on striving for quality.

For me I'll put more focus on the BH side of things. Too few recognize the value of sharp broad heads that remain sharp when passing through the rib cage IMHO. This is the cool factor that too few appreciate as relatively few are promoting this aspect, would be my point of view. Really short recovery is how this cool factor is realized. This approach is what has been working well for me.

YMMV

Can't argue that the lighted knocks do look cool on video when every thing works right though.
If I did go to lighted nocks, cool factor would have nothing to do with it... it would be primarily for shot placement location and/or arrow recovery. It might sound cheapskate-ish, but a high end arrow with a top of the line broadhead can run in excess of $20.00 apiece...and where I hunt, chances of losing an arrow in the foliage and high grass are almost a given. I've restricted my trad hunting so far to handmade cedars with Zwickey Eskimos, but after seeing what I did last week I'm reconsidering.
 
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With arrows so light these days there is no reason to worry about FOC IMO. Just build a lighter arrow and then offset the wrap or lighted nock with a heavier point or insert.....no biggie unless you need a crazy light arrow.

I used the reflective wraps for years and the only bad thing about them is they are a BEAR to get off. I'd hear people say how easy wraps were to remove and argue with them here all the time and then I found out it's the reflective wraps that were the culprit.

I finally tried some Flo Orange standards and they came right off with a little heat. Night & day difference. I don't feel the need to see the arrow better in flight I just want to find it after the shot. Most times it's in the ground anyway........this year that could change........we will see............lol
I’ve heard they are pain to remove compared to standard wraps. I think I’ll only use a strip above the fletchings.
 
I had to re-fletch 3-4 arrows this summer and removed the reflective wraps. Just used a hair dryer and a little rubbing alcohol and it was good to go. Didn't find it to be anymore difficult than removing any other wrap.
 
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