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First, some background in the form of a flyer we are distributing at shoots and other shops in the area.

from the Gainesville Archery Club...........

As we were finishing setting up the course today we began a discussion on some matters a few of us hold dear to our hearts, archery. More specifically, how do we increase attendance? One of the common themes I hear from so many folks on message boards and everywhere else is that they do not shoot because they are a little intimidated. Going to a shoot where there are some top flight archers can be intimidating, especially for someone new to the archery world. So, we came up with a possible solution and one we will be starting soon.

Beginning on Tuesday August 8th, from 6 pm - 8 pm the Gainesville Archery club will begin hosting beginning archery seminars at the Oakwood Sportsmans Lodge. We will go over a variety of topics including some technical information on bows, tuning, form, shooting drills, basic bowhunter education (borrowed from the actual NBEF courses), broadhead tuning, and a variety of other topics. These seminars will be very basic with the thoughts of getting new archers started on the right path. The classes will be taught by myself, Leon Pittman, Patrick Rinehart (bowsmith), Larry Painter and hopefully a few other volunteers.

The best part of these classes is the cost.......free, not one dime, not one penny, nada, zilch, zip, nothing. Absolutely, positively free. How long will the classes last? As long as there is interest. We will be having some one on one instruction, along with possibly some videos and more. We will cover as much as the class wants, asks for, requests, or can handle. Did I mention it is free?

Who are the classes for? Anyone that may be beginning in archery, anyone that may be beginning bowhunting, anyone that may be considering archery, anyone that has been doing it for years but might have some interest in learning some techniques that work for others, youth, ladies, families....................basically, anyone that wants to learn more about archery. While the classes are going to be geared towards beginners, anyone is welcome to attend. Did I mention the cost? If not, let me tell ya...........free.

I would like to thank the Oakwood Sportsmans Lodge for providing us the facilities for these classes. I would also like to thank Leon, Patrick and Larry for volunteering to help with these classes.

Anyone that has any interest in archery, I encourage you to at least check it out once or twice. Even if you have been doing this a while you might learn something......or you might become an instructor!!!!!!!!!!!

The 3 of us have gotten alot out of archery over the years and now we are looking to give back some of what we have gotten out of it. For new bowhunters this is a great opportunity to learn. For the more seasoned shooters out there.......this might be an opportunity to give back to the sport we all love.

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Now, my challenge to the members.

We have all read threads on this and other message boards on quality of proshops, attendance at shoots etc. No one has really come up with an answer. Whether our solution will work or not is unknown, but if some N Georgia Hillbillies are willing to give it a try, why can't everyone else.

We all know proshops that put out less than professional work. We all know proshops that do great work. However, I have heard from a lot of shops that they would love to have regular classes for beginning archers but they do not have the time to run a shop and teach classes. If you have hung out at any shops you have probably also heard the "I can't hit water if I fell out of a bot with my bow so I don't go to shoots."

What can we do to fix these problems? Well, you see what our possible solution is. Can we, the general membership of archerytalk do to really become archers helping archers? Yes, the saying is geared towards Archerytalk, but with the vast experience, knowledge, and geographic coverage this board has maybe we can make a huge difference across the country to folks that are on on Archerytalk, truely becoming archers helping archers. Maybe your proshop has great facilities, but can't tuna fish let alone tune a bow. Approach them, see if they will let you use their facilities to offer these types of free classes for beginners.

I have stood by long enough without trying to do something. We are going to give this a try. Before anyone asks, no we do not have a curriculum yet, we are flying by the seat of our pants here until we get a handle on what exactly people need, I mean, we did just come up with this idea on Saturday.

So far the inital reaction (with only 1 day of publiciszing this idea) has been great. I have been getting emails, phone calls, people stopping me at our shoot, all of them saying man I will be there and I am bringing some folks that want to get into archery but have never tried, or man I am new and would love to learn more.

My question is, do any of the shops in your area offer classes like this? If not, my challenge is.......are you willing to take the steps necessary to start a program like this?
 

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reylamb, I like your thought plan. I have been asking the same questions here in the state of Washington for some time. I am still new to this sport, I started in 1999. I was one of those guys that was intimidated by going to tournaments. I am still a little afraid of those big boys :wink:

To add to your solution or maybe to complicate it, you need to get them from the class to the range on Saturday and Sunday morning. I see guys coming out on Saturday but not showing up on Sunday. Why? There response is "what's the use, those 3 guys over there are gonna win, they always do". So the average "joe bowhunter" now may or may not come out to the range but if he does he feels that there is no reason to stick with it because he sees the same group of guys win every week. Now you have to try to keep both groups happy. Keep the "winners" happy and still attending AND get those "average joebowhunters" competitive. How do you do this without adding to the hosting clubs expenses. Is offering a money shooter side the way to do this?

Then when you get them to the 3-D's, how do you get them interested in marked yardage, not that this should be the goal but another avenue. "Average joebowhunter" thinks that those are for the "special" archers with theeir pretty bows, scopes and long stabilizers that can pick up most satellite broadcasts. I was one of those "average joebowhunters" that didn't think that competing with the 'nail drivers" was for me and probably still would be if it wasn't for my daughter competing at that level.

Here in Washington, we have over 17,000 archers, according to the archery tags sold for hunting. WSAA may have somewhere between 300-600 head of houshold members. That is a huge gap/potential for this sport. I attended a 3-D shoot this weekend that was out of the norm. There was roughly 200 that attended. Way larger than the average turnout for the state. They had this attendance solely because of money. There were money shooter catagories, money dots and a ton of great door prizes. Not all clubs can do this nor can they sustain this. They even threw in some pretty cool novelty targets.

I could go on and on about other "road blocks" to success but would rather find solutions. I am very interested to hear what everyone else thinks about this and what ideas that they have.
 

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no reylamb....not a bad idea at all.....i think what the problem is.....your asking for help or participation.....and you already know...only a few seem to carry the load for all others to enjoy....

your doing a great job.....keep it up.....who knows.....perhaps your efforts will be contagious for some.....
 

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no reylamb....not a bad idea at all.....i think what the problem is.....your asking for help or participation.....and you already know...only a few seem to carry the load for all others to enjoy....

your doing a great job.....keep it up.....who knows.....perhaps your efforts will be contagious for some.....
Yup, asking for help.......in the famous words of Yoda......."Sad it is...."

We are hoping this might catch on and we might draw in some new shooters. I do know this, even if it does not at least we tried......
 

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That is a great idea I think... the issues you may run into (Hey throw out the roadblocks first)

1. People that don't want to know how to tune... the normal archery hunters begins shooting a few weeks before the season, just enough to get a 5 inch group or so out to 30 yards.

2. People that think they are above "newbie" classes will not attend as they are "knowledgable" archers already

3. People that really don't care about archery that much. There are a LOT of archers out there in this realm, they like slinging a few arrows every now and then, the occasional 3d tourney if that and thats it.

- One major thing that I personally have noticed is the lack of publication and announcements for archery events. 3dshoots.com is great but a lot of people don't check that... are you sure that many people KNOW your shooting is going on?

- How are you going to spread word of the training class? Flyers? Newspaper articles? Or are you only trying to focus on members of the clubs? If you are how are you notifying them?
 

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Excellent idea, and it shows the dedication to the sport and the great people involved in it that you have. Whatever level of achievement they may have. My hat is off to you as well as the others mentioned that are going to put in their valuable time and knowledge to try to help others that need it (myself included) at NO COST to these people.

While I'm not currently residing in Georgia, I will be soon (Atlanta area). I've had the opportunity to shoot at the Cumming range, and missed your shoot (ASA Qualifier in June) because I had to be back home in Arkansas before I expected. I would absolutely love to attend something like this if the opportunity existed and the time presented itself for me that I could get away. Any knowledge is good knowledge, and just because a person has been shooting for a long time doesn't mean that there is something they couldn't possibly learn or even pass along to other archers. I've been shooting for years, but I'm not afraid to admit that I know very little in the grand scope of things. I know there is vast room for improvement in my game and something like this would be ideal for me. Even if it means learning how to shoot all over, or maybe learning something about tuning that can improve my overall experience.

Anyway, I think it's a great idea... And regardless of whether everyone wants so jump on the bandwagon or nobody does, you're doing a great thing here. Thumbs up to that, and good luck with it.
 

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Yup, asking for help.......in the famous words of Yoda......."Sad it is...."

We are hoping this might catch on and we might draw in some new shooters. I do know this, even if it does not at least we tried......
reylamb.....you always try...and do a darn good job at it....
 

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I'm impressed. Someone is actually listening.

Except I don't want to be educated on how to compete. I just don't want to compete.

Give me a no-compete walk through price/class. Basically a fun shoot class at the regular shoots. No rules on equipment. Pick your stakes at each target. Skip a target, take two shots at another target (probably have to limit that or certain targets won't last long).

I'm sure the class will help those who want to compete get over the initial intimidation factor. But face it, the majority of people bowl, golf, throw darts, shoot clay and play tennis just to have fun. They're all not trying to get into the majors.

What almost (scheduling conflict) got me to the local club was an open house fun day. Mainly because I knew I could shoot the field course without having to enter a tournament, I could just have fun.

My form also works for me so unless you are teaching the form I use, I don't want a form class. If Nuts&Bolt's is having a form class I'll come. If BentArm Bobby is teaching it, no thanks.
 

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Couple of points on some of these, some we have thought of some we have not.

------It is being advertised in the local paper, along with flyers at the local shops, other clubs, etc.
------The club shoots, once again, flyers at the local shops, newspaper announcements, etc
------We are working on getting a Level 4 instructor signed on to help with form
------Everyone I have had come through NBEF courses the last few years has wanted to learn something more about tuning, even if only basic.
------We offer a "fun class" at our shoots, pay $5 and shoot wherever you want, not many shoot in it though.
I will give it about amonth and let y'all know what we are finding out. If nothing else, I have been called by several folks asking if we will provide bows since they do not own one yet, could be a good sign.
 

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reylamb said:
Couple of points on some of these, some we have thought of some we have not.

------It is being advertised in the local paper, along with flyers at the local shops, other clubs, etc.
------The club shoots, once again, flyers at the local shops, newspaper announcements, etc
------We are working on getting a Level 4 instructor signed on to help with form
------Everyone I have had come through NBEF courses the last few years has wanted to learn something more about tuning, even if only basic.
------We offer a "fun class" at our shoots, pay $5 and shoot wherever you want, not many shoot in it though.
I will give it about amonth and let y'all know what we are finding out. If nothing else, I have been called by several folks asking if we will provide bows since they do not own one yet, could be a good sign.
You are on track, and I think you actually hit upon a big problem. We all tell the new people to buy the the bow that feels best to them. But what about the people that don't have a bow or don't know what they want in the first place?

Having some bows for new people to try out and to shoot is a big plus. And if i were in your area, you could sign me up for both assiatance and classes. I may not be a beginner, but I'll bet that I could support the class.
 

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I like a lot of what your doing! I love the idea of a "fun class" to just go and shoot, I really like the amount of publicity you have aroudn the area for the shoots and I think your definately helping out other archers.

Keep up the great work! :)
 

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We offer a "fun class" at our shoots, pay $5 and shoot wherever you want, not many shoot in it though.
If I didn't have scheduling issues with mornings I would if I knew about it.
Get me doing enough of those and I may jump over to competition class.

I would also jump at the chance to take any tuning classes even if it's just to get a different perspective. But I'm a tinkerer.
 

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I am sure the program will work well and your club is on the right track. you should all be commended for your efforts to bring new people into archery and assist those that are looking for information.
Cheers
Peter
 

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I am looking forward to this. There is a lot of potential for growth in the North Georgia area, and we have some excellent shooters that are willing to donate their time.

Hopefully people will do more than say "That's a great idea" and sit by passively. Get out and help our sport to grow! Remember that someone got you started in archery, and now it's your turn!
 
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