I actually have the exact same question. If people could also post their experiences with durability I would be interested in hearing them.

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NPXs, for me, have the same performance as X10s, but are much easier to tune. And they:

Are cheaper
Have fletching lines pre-drawn on them
Don't have C series weight codes so they are easier to match
Have no bad arrows (X10s have at least 1 bad arrow per dozen)
Do not have a cut limit (though for you this is a non-issue)
Do not take a permanent bend because they are all carbon
Are lighter than same spine X10s in most cases

Only glaring flaw is that the crest/logo wears off much more easily than X10s.

 

Thank you AR720 was there spine chart on spot when ordering your arrows? Or did you have to go up or down a spine? That is one of my fears is investing $450 on a set of arrows to find they are to weak or to stiff.

 

Can't comment on the Carbon Express charts, but the calculator on the Easton Archery homepage has been spot on for me.

 

I prefer X10's. I haven't done a side by side comparison as that would be to expensive, but based on the technology and my scores X10's seem better.

They have less surface area for the wind to catch
They seem to have a weaker back end then NPX's which is supposed to be more forgiving with a finger release
I believe they have slightly tighter tolerances

Of course the pros and cons for each one are relatively small. I'm sure you will be happy with either one, but if you want the best possible arrow my vote would be for X10's.

I have never experienced a "bad" arrow out of my dozen...
Also, X10's are very durable in my experiences. When getting new sight marks I put many arrows into hard objects and they were in perfect condition besides the point, I would say more durable than VAPs, Carbon ones, etc.

Anyway, what distances do you want to shoot? Noting your poundage either one might be to heavy to comfortably reach 70+ meters...

 

They have less surface area for the wind to catch

You sure about that? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...spreadsheets/d/1AV-Sr7t_gCrUdUKZebwDmiVIt5ForE3otc400PyCY3Y/edit#gid=1808828504

I believe they have slightly tighter tolerances

This is true. Same straightness tolerance; weight tolerance is 0.5gr for X10s and 1gr for NPXs.

 

I stayed with the same spine from X10 to NPXs and it was fine. YMMV

 

... currently pulling 34 lbs 30 inch arrow

is it really worth your while to get X10's /NPX's for that draw weight? ACE's or SST's might score better and give you better sight marks, what are you using right now?

 

Last year outdoors he shot Easton acc. I thought about the ace but they tend to not be as durable. He has went through such a growth spurt this winter increasing his draw by almost 2 1/2 inches. Thought we would switch to these and get them ready by indoor Nationals. Indoors he is shooting x7 1914 at 30.25

 

it's very much true that ACE's are less durable than X10's. X10's are about a factor 2 more durable, especially the the smaller tungsten point. from what I've heard is that the NPX is even more durable. The shop I shoot for is recommending the nano SST's as a better option as the ACE in durability, don't have any first hand experience with them though. I would still recommend a slightly lighter (30.25 really isn't enough to let a X10 or NPX shine) and less expensive arrow, especially when he's still growing. replacing a set of x10/npx hurts the wallet a lot more than replacing a set of ACE/SST.

but fwiw, X10's have been found to be more consistent than NPX's around here.

 

Thank you for the info I agree with him still growing it is quite a load of money to have to switch in a few months. Might look into the set

 

Durability in what way? Aside from hitting a brick wall, nothing in normal target archery is going to phase them.

34lb, 30" arrow ... what does 30" arrow mean? What is his draw length? What is length of arrow carbon-to-carbon?

34lb draw weight with X10 arrows can be competitive (just) at 70meters ....

 

...Aside from hitting a brick wall...

cross that one off too, been there done that, no damage at less than 10 feet with 48# X10 380 tungsten point. deep hole in the plaster on the wall though.

 

Durability as in hitting arrows together. When I shot Ace in the past I blew out the backs of several arrows or creased the walls . When I switched to x 10 everything was savagelable and the arrows lasted twice as long. His arrow is 30 inches Aluminum to aluminum currently pulling 29. 1/2 to the plunger hole.
Thinking sst are the way to go.

 

I shot x10 they were heavy but good on wind then NPX lighter faster easy to tune but could not find in grass with metal detector..lol so I went back to ACE. light fast and a bit larger dia that
gives me the liner score plus can find it with my metal detector. lol. DL is 29in shooting 670 spine ace at 34lbs. I can tune a good group stiff but shootable with 650npx.

 

I have shot both SST and NPX and I don't fell you loose anything with the SST's. If I were replacing my NPX's I would go with the SST's and get great scores and save a bunch of money.

 

I have a hard time believing that x10s are more durable than NPXs considering a friend of mine has literally drove over his arrow tube of NPXs on accident and they were all fine. That being said, I do remember some people having issues with carbon express not having the best QC, where the ends of their shafts had chips or cracks when delivered, so i would personally choose x10s between the two. I would also personally shoot the ACGs over the nano ssts, since I don't really think there is a noticeable difference between the two.

 

That being said, I do remember some people having issues with carbon express not having the best QC, where the ends of their shafts had chips or cracks when delivered, so i would personally choose x10s between the two.

You mean this guy? http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2840074

Replies indicate that this occurs with all arrows. Just cut the end off.

 

I met a girl at a field shoot recently shooting NPX that broke four arrows at the end of the point shank shooting into wood (so she said). I didn't see impacts, but she was shooting lower poundage and there wasn't any concrete to hit out there. Taking that with a grain of salt, has anyone had similar or opposite experiences with the NPX or X10? I shoot a lot of field up to 80yds and hitting a wooden bail or plywood backstop isn't out of the realm of possibility.

Sorry to hijack and thanks.

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From my experience with the NPX arrows, these shafts can take a beating.

 

Years ago, I was called all sorts of nasty names here on AT, and even received some PM's from a few very well known archers filled with vulgarities, for suggesting that NPX were anywhere near as good as X10's. Funny thing is, one of those VERY well-known professional archers who sent me a nasty PM, is now promoting CX arrows and shooting NPX's.

And so it goes with our little sport.

X10's are outstanding arrows. NPX's are outstanding arrows. Both are better than 99.999% of the archers who will ever use them. Pick one and then go work on your stamina and mental game.

 

One's confidence in their arrow may have more of an effect then the actual arrow in this situation. The placebo effect is strong.

Also, in my opinion, don't bother with A/C/E/SST if you plan on getting X10/NPX later. I did this and I feel that it wasn't the best use of resources. Stick with standard carbons and save up for heavier limbs and X10/NPX when your ready.

 

One's confidence in their arrow may have more of an effect then the actual arrow in this situation. The placebo effect is strong.

This is very true. An archer who won't be satisified until they are using "...." (fill in the blank) should probably just get it and put that out of their mind, no matter whether they are right or not about it making any difference.

As for the A/C/E's and SST's, I've seen a lot of archers shoot great scores with both of those. They are different tools for a different job than the X10 or NPX. I'm glad we have options.

 

My backyard ...

X10s at 31lb DW survive the sudden stop unscathed ... at 35lb DW survival is a pipedream. Of course for me a clean release at 31lb DW is a pipedream too!

Which arrow will make me 25yrs old again? [emoji26][emoji849]

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Larry, I shot all my PB indoor and outdoor scores at 42. I don't want to be 25 again to be honest. 42 was better! LOL

 

I heartily agree with erose: I have only killed an NPX when I had struck a structural metal post, but never with a miss in the ground.

 

If you are referring to post 19, those are X10s. But not sure if there is an arrow that can survive a brick wall. Can’t tell you if NPXs could survive that type of abuse, because I don’t shoot mine into walls.

I would recommend though that if you or whomever is shooting them, is still putting arrows into the wood, to get a lower cost target arrow such as VAPs and shoot them until you no longer have that problem.

Wood normally doesn’t hurt arrows, unless the arrow hits a nail or a old point. Shooting at a club for example, there will be a greater risk of hitting metal either in the wood if they have wooden framed targets or stands, or in a target where you may hit a lost point.


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Sorry about the confusion, I was referring to my earlier post (#23) about being broken shooting into wood.

I told myself at the beginning of the outdoor season (March in Florida) that if I finished the season without loosing or breaking an arrow I would upgrade. It's almost a year later (and a LOT of shooting!) and I've still got the same 10 VAPs in my quiver. I would be lying if I told you I didn't hit a few back stops on the way though...

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I always wonder why CTMIIs are left out of these conversations. I always had excellent scores with them and those with lower draw weights might really benefit from them.

 

I like the groups on the NPX and the vane guidelines.

 

The lines on the shafts are money. I have no idea why Easton doesn't do that. Saves me tons of time when fletching.

 

The lines on the shafts are money. I have no idea why Easton doesn't do that.

too stubborn to adopt a good idea when someone else had it, I suspect.


my only feedback on one shaft versus another is I have seen several NPs junked recently because the points snapped at the junction to the shaft when they hit something (probably a lost point) in a butt. there was no way to get enough heat into the snapped off shank to free the hot glue before the shaft was ruined anyway. stainless X10 points just bent at the neck when they met the same fate.

 

Thank you everyone for the feed back. I have decided to go with the nano sst spider vanes , Beiter pin nocks and 110-120 break off points. Going to try to save a little coin this go around . Besides Lancaster is out of stock on x10 I needed. Trying 550 's leaving them 31 1/2 inches. Going to be pulling 34 lbs through the clicker and starting with 120 grain points.

 

SSTs have the fletching lines too, and as others have mentioned, are very capable of shooting very good scores. I know someone using SSTs who regularly scores between 315 and 335 in practice at 70m with 36 arrows.

 

....considering all the positives about the Nanos i'm guessing the popularity of the X10s over it with regards to elite archers has something to do with Hoyt's many sources which are used to influence these archers...

 

That's a big part of it. The other part is that people are sheep and they just follow one another.

Having said that, X10's are obviously very good arrows. So there isn't really a wrong answer here.