Never did like ANYTHING from NAP,junk broadheads,crappy rests

And I'm bein' nice..
SORRY to here that though..hope no one was hurt and that NAP does something for him...let us all know if/what they do..

 

Never did like ANYTHING from NAP,junk broadheads,crappy rests

And I'm bein' nice..
SORRY to here that though..hope no one was hurt and that NAP does something for him...let us all know if/what they do..

Well, that helped

 

Why don't you ask NAP first instead of posting on here ??

 

Kiwibowpro

I posted here to see what people thought about it and to vent some steam. It says that in my post. I thought this was an archery forum.

 

if it broke from the side facing the shooter, then I would have to say that he had way to much tension on the slide from pulling the rest cable. What probably happened was the repeated tension snapped the cables and the force of those cables breaking is what shattered the slide. I can guarantee that if he called NAP that they would tell him the same thing.

 

if it broke from the side facing the shooter, then I would have to say that he had way to much tension on the slide from pulling the rest cable. What probably happened was the repeated tension snapped the cables and the force of those cables breaking is what shattered the slide. I can guarantee that if he called NAP that they would tell him the same thing.

That's my thought, but figured that the shooter was somewhat of an archery guru since he's a club official.

Never seen this happen. Not to say that it can't, though.

Most of the problems that I've seen with the NAP's was from someone setting them up improperly. And each time it's been from too much tension on the slide. The steel cable they use has absolutely no forgiveness to it....

I'd definitely let NAP know about it. I'm sure they'd like to "take the toaster apart" to see what happened. I have no doubt they'll replace the rest components that were damaged, but I wouldn't assume anything on anything else.

Hate to be a doom preacher but I'd love to have the rig in my hands to look at it. I can usually tell after working on a few thousand rigs in my time

Good luck though. Hate that it happened. I know it can be frustrating. Been there before.

 

Companies don't normally pay for damages if they can't determine whether they were caused by improper installation or defective products.

 

before i went to gkf i shot the 2000 and if you didn't set your cable right you could of created the problem with way too much tension on the cable when at full draw and created some serious tension on the cable rod as well and the screw probably pulled out of the cable slide. i am hoping the guy is okay and didn't wind up with some pieces of the bow and rest in his body anywhere.
you could talk to nap but i don;t know if they would do anything for what happened unless it was a factory defect. but you never know it can't hurt to try and talk to them and send them some pictures of before and after
good luck
rob k

 

I personally like and use many of the NAP products but don't know anything about their customer service because I've never had to use it.
I can't imagine any manufacturer replacing all that stuff without having someone there that is one of their own people to asess the situation.Improper set-up is very common.
Products do fail and I'm glad nobody was hurt.I would be curious to see how they handle it though.Please let us know what you find.
Jerry

 

Call Andy Simo President of NAP He is a Super Bowhunter Ex Boeing engineer TINK


I am sure eh will help

 

Didn't hear Sam or Ken talking about it at all and I BS'd with them for a while after the shoot. They didn't seem as concerned by it as you are since they didn't say a thing.

I do think that mounting a drop away cord to the cable slide is a poor way to do it. The down cable is the way to go.

Who set his rest up? If the cord was set to lift the arrow too soon it definately could have created a Hell of a lot of stress at the cable slide, thereby causing it too fail.

Who knows what Nap will do, but I bet they ask who and how the rest was set up.

 

The directions that came with the rest were used to install it and the tension was checked to make sure it wasn't too tight. I had that problem with a copper john once before so we knew about the tension adjustment. Maybe it was the weather or a defect in the plastic or the Archery Gods collecting dues.

Thankfuly no one was hurt. I am just upset that it happened and wanted to vent a little bit. For a little piece of plastic to cause $200 in damage in the blink of an eye just sucks.

 

Didn't hear Sam or Ken talking about it at all and I BS'd with them for a while after the shoot. They didn't seem as concerned by it as you are since they didn't say a thing.

I do think that mounting a drop away cord to the cable slide is a poor way to do it. The down cable is the way to go.

Who set his rest up? If the cord was set to lift the arrow too soon it definately could have created a Hell of a lot of stress at the cable slide, thereby causing it too fail.

Who knows what Nap will do, but I bet they ask who and how the rest was set up.

Sam looked at it and told him to take pictures of the everything. He also offered to let him shoot his bow for the rest of the shoot. Sam and Ken are both great people and do a lot for the sport in this state.
The reason I am so upset is because my friend said he wanted to try a drop away and I bought him one as a gift. My gift destroyed his equipment. I am probably more upset than he is just for that reason. He will talk to NAP to see if anything can be done. I just wanted to blow off some steam and see what others had to say. The important thing is that no one was injured.

 

You didn't like him enough to buy him a Trophy Taker????

 

NAP

Hello,

Call NAP they are a very good company.
They will help you with your problems.

 

The reason I am so upset is because my friend said he wanted to try a drop away and I bought him one as a gift. My gift destroyed his equipment. I am probably more upset than he is just for that reason. He will talk to NAP to see if anything can be done. I just wanted to blow off some steam and see what others had to say. The important thing is that no one was injured.

I totally understand and I'm glad no one got hurt. It was a fun shoot...how about that dang mtn. goat at 56 yards.....LOL..cost me $16 in arrows.

There are several possibilities as to what happened. Some are your fault, some may be NAP's fault.

I have had cable slides cut cables before so I always take a small round file to the edges where the cables slide through. The added tension of the drop-away cord can really magnify this problem.

Do you still have the Copper John drop-away? I'm looking for another one.

 

Personally.....

....I've used NAP drop aways for several seasons.......both the cable slide version and lately two of the Mathews roller guard versions.............all have performed flawlessly...............but I've assured myself that they've been properly set-up according to all instructions........

Now on another note, I myself didn't care for the cable slide myself, so that last rest I had of that model, I served the tether directly to the cable..........that worked great also...........

Tell him good luck and hope all turns out for the best....

 

To the Board

When I inspected the damaged bow yesterday, the slide had broken on the side away from the shooter. When the slide broke it went into the cables and cut both cables. The slide then went into the back of the riser web making dents in the riser.

The cable guide appeared to be set correctly for the size of arrow vanes he was shooting.

I could not tell looking at the broken slide whether the cable had been set correctly for length or not. Even if the cable had been adjusted to short, the give in the buss cable should have been sufficient to keep the slide assembly intact.

I do not recall any warning from the Mfg. of either of my rests that the slide would be in danger of breaking if the cable was not adjusted correctly.

The rest was a NAP 3000 series. I shoot the 4000 series on my wife's HavoTec and my UltraTec hunting bow and have had no problems with either.

I was not able to determine why the back side of the slide broke. I know this shooter and he is capable of correctly setting up his equipment.

It is MHO that the slide was defective. Unless their is a written warranty disclaiming damage resulting from defective equipement they Mfg. when contacted should at least offer to replace his drop away slide, his release, and his Winners Choice Strings.

I expect he can live with ding in his new UltraTec riser. What a shame. Exact same bow I have, and was shooting yesterday.

Aaron is in the Air Force, and I expect he had to do a real lot of scrimping on his military income to purchase this bow in the first place. Aaron, take the photos and email them to NAP.


Alaska Sam
Hoyt National Staff Shooter

 

Maybe the cable got caught on something when he drew back. Then it would be short enough to put to much stress on something. Because of what you said happened. The cable had to be under a lot of stress. For it snap the slide. Cut the cables and have enough force to dent the riser.

 

NAP ARE GOOD PEOPLE!

My Buddy just got off the phone with NAP and they are working with him on the problem. He says that they are good people and are willing to work with him to find the cause of the problem and do what is needed to rectify the situation. You can't ask for more than that.

 

I used the NAP QT 2000, and that if you have the tension too tight, it could cause problems. Had to replace my cables after two months because I could see the cable wear, and did not want to take any chances. Ended up taking a rat-tail file to the slide to smooth out the rough edges in the grooves.

Also, there is a set-screw on the rotating barrel. This is used when you are tuning the rest. If you leave that screw tightened (after tuning) it will create unnecessary friction, and the slide will wear the cables very quickly.

 

The damage to the cables was instanatous, and was caused by impact with most possibly the screw and clamp that holds the adjustment cable to the slide.

Alaska Sam

 

Wow. That's scary. I'm gonna check my cables again. Thx.

 

glad to hear knowone was hurt but maybe just maybe the problem wasn't the rest at all it could have been a defect in the cable slide itself. i mean find a junk bow and take the slide out a nd try to break it i can't imagine the rest alone having the force to break a slide. i have shot the drop away 4000 for 2 years and approx 5000+ shots it has never failed and have installed at least fifty in the last year with great success.