have you shot any hoyt the past couple years? looks like the same grip, same name i think. i like their grips, but that doesn't mean they are any more repeatable than some others, but they feel really good in the hand and seem to orient well in the hand naturallyThanks for the feedback! Not surprised the draw cycle feels a bit easier on the Hoyt given performance diff. 2 pounds is about 4 fps and the Enkore is outperforming by 6+ fps so that makes sense.
How did the grips compare in your opinion? When I shot the Enkore it was clear to me elite has the best grip on the market - but I obviously haven't handled the new Hoyts so don't know how they compare.
As you say, certain tuning isn't a strong point on the new Hoyts. The Elite and Bowtech tuning options are heads above everyone else without question. And I agree and have commented on the terrible approach Hoyt took on the rear stab mount. To not have a normal bushing and instead be required to buy some Hoyt mount (which may not even be great quality but in any case doesn't fit my preference) is almost criminal IMO.
But otherwise sounds like a decent shooting rig. Interested in checking it out at some point.
No I haven't. The only nearby Hoyt dealer is an old guy who literally won't let you shoot any of hit Hoyts. Has no demo bows - only way you can shoot one is to buy one. And I've had zero interest in what Hoyt has had to offer in years so the grip was sort of irrelevant. These new bows are a decent shift in the direction of what others (with superior options over a number of years) are doing so they could get themselves back in the game from my perspective....we'll see.have you shot any hoyt the past couple years? looks like the same grip, same name i think. i like their grips, but that doesn't mean they are any more repeatable than some others, but they feel really good in the hand and seem to orient well in the hand naturally
So ventum 33 is about a real number 323ibo bow?Well I will say both of those bows are awesome. The Hoyt ventum 33 was drawing 71lbs and the Elite Enkore was at 70.5. Both at 29.5 inches. Draw cycle is good on both but the Hoyt feels a decent bit lighter. Like at least 2lbs lighter.
Vibration again Hoyt wins this. I really couldn’t tell much difference with or without Hoyts little chub stabilizer. It’s just dead in the hand. The Elite is also pretty shock free but not as shock free as the Hoyt. As far as noise goes they are both really quiet and I couldn’t tell much of a difference.
Speed we shot a 427 grain Carbon Express Maxima 350 through the Pro Chrono chronograph. We shot three arrows out of each bow. Both bows had a whisker biscuit and a loop. The Elite was 297,298,297 and the Hoyt was 291,290,292.
Weight, we weighed each bow with the whisker biscuit. The Elite was 4.9lbs and the Hoyt was 5lbs with out the little chub stabilizer. I believe the tech said the little stabilizer weighed 3.5 ounces.
Before I went to the shop I really thought I would be ordering a new Elite Enkore. But I’m really liking the new Hoyt Ventum 33. I have to go back to the shop Friday night to get new cams for my Ritual 35 and will probably be ordering a Ventum 33 in Buckskin.
Disclaimer these are my findings and opinions. I’m sure some others opinions will vary. But Hoyt did a heck of a job on their new Aluminum bows. Their Carbon bows don’t do it for me so I didn’t even bother to shot them even though the tech asked me 2-3 times if I wanted to. I know they won’t be as easy/fast to tune as the new Elites. But they are really nice and I bet they sell a lot of them. Also one thing I don’t care for is the lack of a bushing for a rear bar in the Hoyt. You have to buy their rear bar mount.
These were straight out of the box. Threw a biscuit on them and shot through a pro chrono. I guess the Elite is running about 330 then? Seems like every review I’ve read on the new Elites is they’re hitting their numbers.So ventum 33 is about a real number 323ibo bow?
I hate to ruffle your feathers again but come on Hoyt
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If those are the specs you’re interested in I’d think you could find them at a lot less weight and expense. Whatever floats your boat though...As an old elite guy like the 3 track cam paired with 33ata and 6.5 brace of the v 33. simple elegant. I don't mind shiming. the lines are clean.
Well the evolve cam is dartons cam. All companies do that.It seems like Hoyt laid back in the cut with the same design for a couple years, then they come out with this bow and borrowed ideas from all the other companies that have been taking chances with innovation.
Matthews style “top hat” shims
Pse cable stops
Matthews front lower dampener
Pse low stabilizer mount
Pse winged string tracks.
Looks like a great bow, but a mishmash of other companies ideas.
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Not really. Bow specs haven't changed in several years so my several year old bows are going to stay. Changing brace height and ATA lengths by fractions here or there and IBO speeds by 2-3fps each year isn't really worth getting excited about. The gimmicky sight and rest mounts out now are worthless to 95% of people. Cam systems have gotten more and more complicated and now are going back to more simple again. It's all just different shades of lipstick on the same old pigs. We're just nearing the end of the engineering and technology boom in the sport.Priced me right out of it. Probably have to learn to use a release... Anything else that DOES have your interest?
why are they stupid? building a new cam? expecting people to buy them? they are doing what every company is doing, building bows that people will like (of course nobody is going to all like the same bow) if people didn't buy a company's entry year of a new cam, there would be no bows, we would all have to shoot 15yr old compounds and trad bows.Remember those fighting headlines, lead or get out of the way, or catch us if you can ??? Hoyt should use the phrase,,,following the pack.
I simply cannot reason to myself why I would buy a Hoyt's entry year of a new cam system. Last time I did that I ended up with a abortion from K&K bows.
If I buy a new bow this year, it will be a PSE being they have been using this system for several years and have it far more advanced than Hoyt does for sure.
Whoever is leading Hoyt today should just turn in your resignation papers, you are STUPID !
I looked at the bows and then went back to the thread and started scrolling and that's exactly what I thought........it made me laugh, thanks.Mehh