just my thoughts

Desert Rat,

I am not an expert, but I believe someone has to witness the event---or the offender comes clean and admits the contact that they created, and then the person that misfire would get the shot over after the shoot.

With that said, 4 years ago in the Alaska state championship, a competitor behind me would load his arrow with his bow put in such a way that his stabilizer would cut in front of me while I was at full draw. When I asked the Alaska state director at the time what could be done---he said nothing. So I dealt with it, I don't think the guy was intentionally trying to be mean---he just was clueless.

 

I believe the Alaska State Director was incorrect. I'm not an expert either but I also believe that you have the right to your lane, without obstruction.

That being said, I've been on the line at Vegas (shooting the Pro Division no less!) and had another Pro's stabilizer go right across my scope while I was at full draw!! It happens everywhere and at every level of competition! But at least he didn't make contact with me!! As soon as contact was made, you had a case!!:wink:

Desert Rat,

I am not an expert, but I believe someone has to witness the event---or the offender comes clean and admits the contact that they created, and then the person that misfire would get the shot over after the shoot.

With that said, 4 years ago in the Alaska state championship, a competitor behind me would load his arrow with his bow put in such a way that his stabilizer would cut in front of me while I was at full draw. When I asked the Alaska state director at the time what could be done---he said nothing. So I dealt with it, I don't think the guy was intentionally trying to be mean---he just was clueless.

 

I don't think it's in the rules, happened to me last year. I was at full draw aiming, guy next to me is looking for his binoculars and bumps me and I miss.
the NFAA state rep was there and he basically said tuff there isn't any rule on it.

 

If that's the case lets take advantage of this. How about some crosschecking on the line? Can you say GROUND AND POUND?:box: Of course we will keep it civilized no eye gauging.:wink: :darkbeer:

 

been poked by arrows in some ones quiver many times..also when people
are loading their bow even when I am full draw the stick their cam in my
face...I try to get use to it cuz I don`t want to be baby and cry about it
but it does suck..wish they would give you more room on the line..those
big bellied boys are hard to shoot next too....


bigbucks170

 

My speculations...

I'm guessing that the reason for having no rule in the book is every "interference" case is different. Interference could be viewed as your neighbor's stabilizer crossing your line of sight at full draw, getting poked by your neighbor's arrow when he pulls it out of his quiver, to damn near a full body slam.

That said, I would appear by virtue of not mentioning anything in the rule that would leave each case up to the Tournament Director to preside over and ultimatly make a ruling.

If the offending party freely admits to the interference why and it was witnessed by a third party, why wouldn't a Tournment Director allow the arrow to be reshot?

What am I missing?

 

Great question. Wish I had a great answer. I think if the 2 archers report a bad arrow as a result of accidental contact, I'd vote for a re-shoot of that arrow.

Seen lots of stuff. One tourney, a righty and a lefty are on the line facing each-other. The lefty is shooting full length arrows and his quiver is forward on his belt. When he's at full draw, his nocks are in the gut of the righty. (No, he's not overly big.)

Righty is a class act and doesn't say a thing and shoots a heck of a good score. I think I would have politely asked lefty to adjust the quiver. I don't think he was aware that his arrows where skewering his neighbor.

I've shot next to a lefty before and we'd crack each other up on the line. He'd let-down with a shudder of breath and man, I couldn't tune it out. We'd be chuckling about it having a good time. Eventually, we got through the shoot and I'd shoot next to him anytime in the future. We had fun, we knew that we were in each other's face and really tried hard not to bother the other. We tried not to draw while the other was aiming. Just common courtesy and respect. We also remembered to have a good time.

I suspect that most folks are totally unaware that they are swinging their cams or stabilizers in front of others and if you'd just mention to them politely, I would hope that they would respect you enough to stay out of your face. If not, you might have an issue to discuss with the local tournament director.

Is it "equipment failure" if your line neighbor's equipment is stabbing you while you are trying to shoot??

 

Don't know of any organisation that allows a reshoot for an interference call, most cases I have seen or been involved with are 1) the arrow is scored where it lands and the interfering archer is warned or 2) the arrow is scored where it lays and the interfering archer is DQed.

 

NFAA does not have an interference rule, you're out of luck. Best you can do is bloody his nose or dot an eye.

Lancaster's shoot is the only venue I know of that has an interference rule.

 

Be polite and ask him to change his ways. If not, I return the favor on every arrow, and have no line ethics for him after that. Most guys will change the way they do things. Mr. Looney is correct about LAS Classic. They announce it before each line shoots, but never heard of any problems. Most of the time we ask each other if they have enough room, and it is kind of tight in there.

 

Stuff happens, no matter how unfair it may seem. Most any shoot I've seen once the arrow crosses the line it is a shot arrow and scored as such.

 

Too bad...

It's too bad that there isn't a rule on this one. Imagine if this happened on the first day of the first shoot for "shooter of the year" and it was a true accident. It seem unreasonable that the party is penalized by the accident/actions of another.

Hypothetical case and point: Let's say Reo is in Vegas and some novice pro is shooting next to him and accidentally bumps him where Reo's arrow misses the whole target; scoring a zero. Reo is pretty much done for shooter of the year honors. Too bad Reo (in this scenario) has to eat it...right?

-DR

 

It's too bad that there isn't a rule on this one. Imagine if this happened on the first day of the first shoot for "shooter of the year" and it was a true accident. It seem unreasonable that the party is penalized by the accident/actions of another.

Hypothetical case and point: Let's say Reo is in Vegas and some novice pro is shooting next to him and accidentally bumps him where Reo's arrow misses the whole target; scoring a zero. Reo is pretty much done for shooter of the year honors. Too bad Reo (in this scenario) has to eat it...right?

-DR

Exactly..........

 

I believe there is a ruling, but under other wording. Ran into a while back.
contact the NFAA for a list all R.I.C. rulings.

 

It always seemed like the CSAA was all for giving the archer a fair shot. Given that the majority of archers in this state seem to want to win under optimum circumstances, not through some accident, I doubt any would have been upset by a re-shot arrow.

I haven't been to a state shoot in over a year, but I can't believe that it would have gone unnoticed by someone.

In the future, I think it would be proper for the two involved to step back from the line and raise their hands to call for a judge and let him do what he can.

I have always understood that "a shot arrow is a shot arrow", but also realize that things happen at shoots to make the outcome as fair as possible.

It seems ridiculous to DQ an offending archer if the act is not malicious.

How was the shoototherwise? What did you turn in on the card for Sunday?

 

Misfire

I'm BOB the fool that bumped BILL. It was my fault and I admitted it to the officals at the shoot. They said it was a shot arrow and that was that. I was told the rule, that we can't seem to find anywhere, was put into place because of people saying they were interfered with they possibly weren't. I did it. I admitted it and it obviously caused BILL to misfire. There should a way he can make up that shot.

 

I'm BOB the fool that bumped BILL. It was my fault and I admitted it to the officals at the shoot. They said it was a shot arrow and that was that. I was told the rule, that we can't seem to find anywhere, was put into place because of people saying they were interfered with they possibly weren't. I did it. I admitted it and it obviously caused BILL to misfire. There should a way he can make up that shot.

Very true. I believe if the bumper let's it be known that it was indeed his fault for interfering the bumpee, than all is fair for a reshoot. With the judges disgression of course.

People could easily abuse this system if they wanted to.

I believe that is y there is in fact no set in stone rule.

 

hey mistakes happen we all can learn a lesson from this be aware of your surroundings and try to keep your self undercontrol but even then things happen,

 

Being a lefty been there done that ... and also done to me. :wink:

Never a real issue. Apologies, quiver adjustments, and carry on. Never contact that effected a shot though. That would be a bummer.

Good luck on the line,
Nick

 

I shot an arrow in a guys stab once it was one of those aluminum bomar stabs he was setting his sight and stuck it in front of me while I was executing my shot. I shoot with one eye closed and did not see it. He gave me the stabilizer for a trophy. LOL

 

Dang right!

After blowin up one of my arrows, as well as putting us both and others at risk, I'd be wanting something too!

 

It would be REAL easy for a buddy to complain to have interfered causing an errant shot. I'd bet that it has happened and it will happen again. That's why "buds" shouldn't shoot side by side at any kind of competition that has any significance. People will cheat at even trivial competitions.......

It actually makes me nervous on a crowded line. I really don't want to mess anyone up even someone I have no respect for. It would be nice to have 3' lanes instead of 2' but the building would have to be a third bigger which isn't trivial.

People should stay in their lane while practicing. If there are only 2 people shooting then get in adjoining lanes and rotate lanes. Especially anyone that isn't familiar with shooting on a full line. You'll be a lot more comfortable when you do compete in a "big" tournament if your shoot on a line in practice. If your first time on a full line is standing between Dave Cousins and Reo Wilde you are going to be just a bit "nervous" just standing between them while they are shooting.:wink: If not then you have ice water in your veins and/or are a serious narcissist!

 

I see three different situations: 1- The one in your first paragraph where it didn't occur at all, 2-accidental like what Todd did, and 3- intentional usually claimed as accidental.

The current rule is written "for" the cheaters in situations 1 and 3. There is nothing for the "innocent bystander" except take your lumps except a "Sorry".

Even though it is an individual sport I think something should be written to address the interaction of the competitors. In fact something should be written since contact could be dangerous.

 

The NFAA does not have any rule concerning interference. They do have a rule that says an arrow that goes beyond the no shot line (a line in front of the shooters) is a shot arrow. If you shoot the arrow, and it goes past the line, it is considered shot and scored where it hits. That being said you can ask for a ruling and possibly be able to re shoot depending on circumstances etc. If there was an interference rule it would be very easy to cheat, here is the easiest scenario: shooting on the line with a buddy, you drop and arrow into the 4 or out of the X, you claim interference and your buddy says “yeah I accidently bumped him with my quiver”. If there was an interference rule that would be an automatic re shoot. It is much better to say an arrow shot is scored where it hits. You are the shooter and you are the one responsible for your arrows.

 

... You are the shooter and you are the one responsible for your arrows.

Here's another take...its a state or national shoot where its their duty to provide a bump-free and safe shooting atmosphere.

 

talk about distractions this past weekend the guy in front of me must have forgotten to shower ukey: I think it would have been less distracting getting poked every other shot.

 

Maybe I am just a naive simpleton but it seems pretty cynical to me that two buddies would get together and actively cheat for each other, and, I honestly think, that people who are willing to cheat at this level probably aren't willing to put in the time it takes to win any kind of tournament anyway.

There should be a rule on this.

Mason

 

Bob has stabilizer bent over head, later bent stabilizer up for sale in AT classifieds

 

I was at full draw while shooting next to a longbow shooter , heard a click looked down and the tip of his bow was in my cam ! If I would of turned it loose we would of both been done ! This was the first practice end and I soon found out he shot all 5 in about 45 seconds . I let him shoot, he would run off the line and I would have 3+ minutes to shoot worked out fine ! :wink:
I have always wondered what they would of done if I would of shot !

The worse interference I ever dealt with was shooting next to a good looking large chested left handed blonde gal !!! Shot one of my best FSL tourny scores that night !! :zip:

 

Let me begin by stating that I am the Colorado State Archery Association President, and I was, of course, at the tournament in question. I didn't see the incident as I was shooting at the same time. Unfortunately, the rules state, "An arrow that crosses the ten foot line is a shot arrow, and must be scored where it lies". That Sucks in this instance, but that is the rule the Tournament Director must follow. It should also be mentioned that that "Bill" was able to shoot a provisional arrow that scored an "X", and the Tournament Director and the NFAA Rep. are going to the NFAA Rules Board to see if "Bill" will be awarded this score post-tournament. I feel the Tournament Director has handled this incident the best he could, while sticking with the letter of the rule book.

Kurt Geist

 

Kurt,
Glad that "Bill" got to shoot the provisional arrow, but continuing to shoot next to the archer would have had me mentally all over the place. If he shot down from his average following the incident, I would bet that the large majority of that is due to not being able to focus as he probably had a fear of a repeat incident. Same thing happens when the guy next to you swings his cam in your face, or moves around a ton on the line. Just takes away the rythem,. Better shooters like yourself, get past this easily. Experience and confidence go a long way. If it came down to a Membership vote, I would have to renew today and get my vote counted. Otherwise...I'll have to wait for the spring shoot.

Bob, it is the organizations duty to provide a venue that is set up according to whatever standards the NFAA sets forth in the Bylaws and Constitution, if they follow that then everything is good to go. Nowhere does it say they have to provide a bump-free shooting atmosphere.

Maybe I am just a naive simpleton but it seems pretty cynical to me that two buddies would get together and actively cheat for each other, and, I honestly think, that people who are willing to cheat at this level probably aren't willing to put in the time it takes to win any kind of tournament anyway.

There should be a rule on this.

First I would like to be able to say there is no cheating to win, and at the highest level there probably is not. To believe that it does not take place would be a huge mistake to think about. Look at athletes around the world and see what they do to “get the edge”. I think it was just in the news about a base ball player that used steroids to hit better, that is cheating and against base ball rules. In everything you can imagine there is always someone trying to cut corners to get an edge. For a national tournament there is no “level” that has to be achieved to shoot, anyone can go and compete, that is one of the great things in archery. No rule will ever stop those that want to cheat from doing it.

In a sport that involves weapons and a good number of people, I will say that you are wrong. Sure would hate to see the insurance premiums if you are right and the insurance companies get wind.

 

Bumping and cashing

In vegas two years ago a guys arrows and vbar would poke and bump me at full draw I let down .. I spoke to the guy and he smiled so I drifted my heels over it to his lane shinking his space and shot my arrows. Next end when I felt his arrows contact my back side I pushed against them. He was pissed and called the ref I explained what was happening that contact was only made at full draw . I told the ref that it was un sportsman like and if it continued I would file a protest. The ref left and talked with the other Zebras and came back and told him the to move his quiver and watch his vbar to allow other archers to shoot un touched. He was warned if it continued he would be removed. I talked to the guy after and he said he wanted to see if he could make me miss . I then told him I doing fine by myself.

 

When I shoot indoors, my arrows go in my back pocket, just for this reason.
My arrows never touch anybody in front of me, they stick out 90 degrees to the line.