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Nuts & Bolts,

I have read several of your posts and find them very helpful and practical. I recently made a change in my draw lenght (29.5 to 28.5) as I was leaning back and the arrow nock was behind my right eye. This change has strightened my posture, positioned the arrow nock under the front half of my right eye and improved my grouping as I can hold much steadier through the shot. To accomplish this change I had to lengthen the release strap (Carter 2-Shot) to mainatin my anchor (touch) point. The trigger is now in front of my first finger joint. Is the best fix to simply lengthing the D-loop and shorting the wrist strap?

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Garuki said:
Nuts & Bolts,

I have read several of your posts and find them very helpful and practical. I recently made a change in my draw lenght (29.5 to 28.5) as I was leaning back and the arrow nock was behind my right eye. This change has strightened my posture, positioned the arrow nock under the front half of my right eye and improved my grouping as I can hold much steadier through the shot. To accomplish this change I had to lengthen the release strap (Carter 2-Shot) to mainatin my anchor (touch) point. The trigger is now in front of my first finger joint. Is the best fix to simply lengthing the D-loop and shorting the wrist strap?

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Hi there Garuki:

You are learning very well.

I prefer to call what you are try to do
as "Fitting the bow to the shooter".

So, you need to adjust four things to get a "custom fit".

1) Bow draw length setting to the end of the shaft is under the corner of the mouth...



2) Adjust the length of the d-loop so that the release arm angle is parallel to the arrow or slightly downhill

3) Match the d-loop length to work with your handle release neck length
or in your case, the distance from the wrist strap to the trigger.

Number 2 and 3 are closely related.

4) Adjust your foot position so that the entire body is aligned in the best position for you. The goal is to get the bow shoulder as close to the arrow when at full draw as possible, subject to your neck rotation range of freedom. If you cannot rotate your neck comfortably, then adjust your body rotation with respect to the arrow.



For 2nd Nature, he has adjusted his body more and more in the clockwise direction. Each time his entire body rotated, the distance from the chin to the bow grip increased, so essentially, how you position your body,
and particularly the bow shoulder in relation to the arrow at full draw,
will change how your bow draw length setting fits you.

If you find yourself leaning backward,
and your body position resembles the first picture of 2nd Nature,
then try adjusting your body to look more like the 2nd picture,
or even better, the 3rd picture of 2nd Nature or even better
the 4th picture.



To answer your question about
should you just leave the d-loop alone
and just increase the wrist strap to trigger distance....


I think you know my answer.

I prefer you keep the wrist strap to trigger distance short,
and increase the d-loop length.

Something like this picture of Randy Ulmer.





When you have your shoulders and the entire body looking
like the 3rd picture of 2nd Nature.... or even better, the 4th picture....

When you have the d-loop adjusted long enough to work
with your wrist strap to trigger distance (when set short)
so you can hit your preferred face anchor touch point
(index knuckle under the ear opening like Randy Ulmer)
(or index knuckle behind the ear lobe, in the hollow spot)


Then, when it is all said and done...

you release arm should look something like these fellows....







Release arm will be parallel to the arrow
or the release arm will be slightly downhill.

The bow shoulder AND the release side shoulder will
be at the same elevation.

PS: 2nd Nature is shooting really well
with his new form / shooting position.

Find what body position / foot position works for you.

I generically call this technique,
the "Power Triangle."











Get as close to this position
as you comfortably can.

Some folks can have their bow shoulder very close
and still be able to rotate their neck and see through their peep sight.

Some folks cannot rotate their neck comfortably.
If you cannot rotate your neck as much as Zoli can,
then maybe you can look more like the 2nd or 3rd
picture of 2nd Nature (pictures with the blue dots and red dots and yellow dashed lines).
 

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Nuts & Bolts,

Once again great advice. Can't wait to get things adjusted just right. I really appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions. Thanks for making archery fun and helping us weekend warriors improve.

Garuki
 

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good post, cleared up something in my form- or at least made me aware of something I can work on
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