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OK, so I've been experiencing some strange tightness and discomfort in the range from the right side of my neck all the way through my right shoulder and into my upper right back.

I suspect this is from 2-3 weeks ago when I shot field points into a new Cabela's broadhead only target (yeah I'm a rocket scientist). I seriously could not get the damn arrows out. I was pushing with my left hand on the target and really, REALLY heaving with my right hand and could feel the "pull" in my upper back from getting them out. I mean, I've pulled ALOT of arrows and never had this much difficulty, not even from the meanest of 3Ds.

So here I am, almost 3 weeks later and my neck/shoulder/back still is uncomfortable. I don't want to say it hurts, because it really doesn't. Its just very tight and uncomfortable. I don't have any change in range of motion or anything, it just feels like every muscle in the entire area is under tension and somewhat sore like...but not overly so, just to a point where it feels "tired" like after a workout.

I have not shot my bow at all in 2 weeks or done anything overly exerting, in an attempt to rest my shoulder. In the mornings, everything feels GREAT, but as the day goes on...and by night time, the shoulder is back to feeling seriously fatigued...clearly from use throughout the day.

Anyone have a remedy? Should I consult a doctor? Should I get some kind of therapeutic ointment to relax the muscles?

Any advice would be great. I'm really starting to get concerned about drawing the bow and practice time is slipping away. HELP! :D
 

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I preface my response with the following: "I am not a doctor, and I did not stay in a Holiday Inn last night!"

Do you sleep with a fan or a ceiling fan blowing on you? Or an A/C unit that is hitting you directly in the bed while you sleep? Sounds like you might have what my grandma called a "cold" in your neck muscles. This tends to happen to me in the spring and early fall if I sleep with a fan blowing directly on me.

More than likely, you just have a pulled muscle group in your upper back. But that would cause pain under certain range of motion positions. Three weeks is a little long for the pain to persist. If you do not have a fan blowing on you, gotta rule that out and see a professional!
 

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I dont know the exact answer...

BowhunterNJ said:
OK, so I've been experiencing some strange tightness and discomfort in the range from the right side of my neck all the way through my right shoulder and into my upper right back.

I suspect this is from 2-3 weeks ago when I shot field points into a new Cabela's broadhead only target (yeah I'm a rocket scientist). I seriously could not get the damn arrows out. I was pushing with my left hand on the target and really, REALLY heaving with my right hand and could feel the "pull" in my upper back from getting them out. I mean, I've pulled ALOT of arrows and never had this much difficulty, not even from the meanest of 3Ds.

So here I am, almost 3 weeks later and my neck/shoulder/back still is uncomfortable. I don't want to say it hurts, because it really doesn't. Its just very tight and uncomfortable. I don't have any change in range of motion or anything, it just feels like every muscle in the entire area is under tension and somewhat sore like...but not overly so, just to a point where it feels "tired" like after a workout.

I have not shot my bow at all in 2 weeks or done anything overly exerting, in an attempt to rest my shoulder. In the mornings, everything feels GREAT, but as the day goes on...and by night time, the shoulder is back to feeling seriously fatigued...clearly from use throughout the day.

Anyone have a remedy? Should I consult a doctor? Should I get some kind of therapeutic ointment to relax the muscles?

Any advice would be great. I'm really starting to get concerned about drawing the bow and practice time is slipping away. HELP! :D
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But I can tell you, You should back off I feel extreme pain now that I am nearing 40yrs. old...be careful I had to back off to 60lbs. with 80% LO it feels like a holiday now! Conserve the shoulders or else? Trust me!
 

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Well I'm no doc either but I have had my share of back pain for the last 15 years. I don't know if that makes me an expert by default or not.

Could be nerve impingement. Discomfort in the PM after your spine compresses all day. I think that this is unlikely since you didn't mention any tingling or numbness or real cramping in your shoulder.

Could be a deep muscle pull/tear. More likely a tear. I think a pull would have eased off after 3 weeks.

Could be a tendon or ligament too.

Have you been taking advil or anything like that? & I mean a prescription sized dose every 6-8 hours. My orthopaedic surgeon (& I) swears by 600 - 800 mgs. every 8 hours of generic ibuprophen if I have a real pain/inflammation issue. Disclaimer-check wih your doc first!!!

Really, the best advise I can give you would be go see a doctor. Not sure of your age, but for me at 44, I'd expect a minor thing to have eased off by now.
 

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Yeah I'm making an appointment in the morning to go see a chiropractor. See if he spots anything out of alignment or can diagnosis it further. If that doesn't work, I'll go see my primary doctor and see what he recommends.

I haven't been taking any advil until tonight, I took some due to the annoyance of the "pain" (not hurting, just bleh) and a headache (which may be residual from these other issues).

We'll see how it goes tomorrow. I'm suspecting I either severely pulled something and it keeps reaggravating each day or knocked something out of alignment.
 

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Matt......I was going to suggest to see a chiropractor but you have that covered......you have a sublaxation by the sounds of things .......good news is you'll live.... :thumbs_up :p :)
 

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Matt......I was going to suggest to see a chiropractor but you have that covered......you have a sublaxation by the sounds of things .......good news is you'll live.... :thumbs_up :p :)
I think I'm more worried about being able to shoot my bow this season than living! :eek: :D But that's good news too! :wink:

We'll see if a few cracks can get me straightened out. I've tried stretching but it isn't doing much of anything.
 

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Jerry/NJ said:
Matt......you have a sublaxation
Yup, last time I had that I was running to the crapper every 5 minutes. :D

Seriously though, I have a similar problem. Gets better and worse. Doesn't really bother me, but it is a discomfort that is deep in the shoulder and was bothering my neck for a while too. Weird. Kind of like a pinched nerve. I think stretching is very important. I have noticed it helps alot.
 

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MMMM, lets see

I happen to be a chiropractor and feel based on history and mechanism that you have a muscle pull with possible joint irritation (subluxation) in the neck and/or midback. Then again, it could be a disc irritation. There are many people who have disc bulges but never have any problems with them, but sometimes a slight irritation can bring them out and show this type of presentation. But let's be optimistic, probably just a muscle/joint problem. As long as you don't have any radiation of pain down to the arm, I would treat it as a muscle strain. Just don't go to a chiropractor that wants to see you for more than 10-15 visits.

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Thanks DrSteve! :)

My buddy recommended his chiropractor, said I will probably need 2 visits max, possibly just 1. I don't plan on going more than 2, and planning on going for the first tomorrow. Never been to a chiro though...so this should be interesting.

Also, no pain reasonating anywhere, nor down my arm. Just seems to be all tightness up near my back, shoulder, neck and I can feel pressure against my collar bone as well. Like this annoying pressure that just needs to get relaxed.

When I go to bed, it seems to relax it nicely and feels great in the morning. Man I hope the chiro can straighten it out...I want to get shooting again! :|
 

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I hope you team has an injured reserve, or maybe a good guy on the bench. :wink: Oh wait a minute, he wouldn't have to be that good. :p

Seriously though, good luck getting it straightened out. I've had a problem for a while (are you listening Dr. Steve) with bulging discs that press on some nerves that make the left side of my head, face and neck go all numb and tingly every time I turn my head a certain way. That certain way is to the left... like when I try to line up my sights at full draw. :cry: It used to be alot of pain and grinding, and headaches, but now is just a little painful and tingly/numbness. I think I can shoot with that. I went to specialists several times over the past year and have been told I just have to live with it, not serious enough to do surgery.
 

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Good morning Matt,

I am also a Chiropractor and agree with Dr. Steve. I have 20+ years experience and this does sound like a condition that Chiropractic can help, however, I would not begain to recommend anything to you without having a chance to examine your neck/upper mid back condition. Also, do not get caught up in office visits like I see you doing. Some conditions are harder to treat than others and take longer to correct. Remember, you have no diagnosis, YET!! One thing I try and get patient's to understand with reguards to musculoskeletal injuries is that it will take YOU, NOT ME at least 60 to 90 days to heal-up properly. Am I talking 60 to 90 days of treatment, NO!! I am just talking in terms of a normal healing time for your body and depending upon what your general health conditions is! Unfortunally that is one of Natures Laws we all have to abide by! Remember this is a guide line and you need to see a professional who deals with these condtions!!!
Good Luck!
 

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Blame the mouse.

I would consider easing off the computer if you are using it a whole lot more then usual. I get the same sort of thing if I play my wargames all night for too many nights in a row.
 

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CityBoy2:

Unfortunately I am on computers all day (software/web developer) and then again at home. I've compensated by not shooting my bow! :thumbs_do :)


Bonecracker:

Great advice. I agree, I have to see how today goes before I can really determine what avenues to pursue. I figure it will take some time to heal, but my biggest concern is being able to hunt. I'm really not concerned with any serious damage (but I could just be naive there), but it's worth getting checked out to be sure. We'll see what the doctor says, and I'll keep you guys posted.


Doug:

I hope you team has an injured reserve, or maybe a good guy on the bench. Oh wait a minute, he wouldn't have to be that good.
So wrong! :D
 

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Another Chiro

Another chiropractor here. I agree with everything the other two docs said. I typically only see patients a time or two for something like this, but be patient. It may take a few visits.

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Well I have been in almost the same boat as you for almost this whole summer, my pain started in the top of my left (bow) shoulder rotator cuff area, back the end of March, it was slight pain numbness shooting down my bi-cep into my forearm, it progressively got worse, end of April on my 2nd visit family physician proscribed pain killers and anti inflammatory, did some more X-rays, nothing showed, after another month of pain killers and not getting any better and not being able to shoot at all without numbness and pain, and still not sure what my prob was, I had pain of a torn rotator but still had full movement in arm, and some symptoms of a pinched nerve in my neck, pain was allot worse at this time and very miserable, a real uncomfortable feeling, the pain was much worse when I was doing nothing at all, with my arm, finally the middle of June, after 5 visits to my Doc,and a bunch of useless X-rays, he referred me to an Orthopedic specialist, which could not see me for another almost month 1/2 :angry: so I decided to go see a chiropractor, I figured what the Hell, he did a bunch of tests, more X-rays :( , found out that I had a reverse curvature in my neck, and that I had about 3/4 the range of motion turning my head to the left that I had turning to the right, so I started seeing him a few times a week, he did help the pain allot, unfortunately he was making me Way too loose, and not really following a pattern of treatment just giving me basic adjustments, and it just seemed to me like he was setting me up and pushing me for weekly lifetime visits, which I don't have that kind of Insurance coverage for, I have limited visits. finally the end of June I seen the or-tho specialist who took some more X-rays which still SHOW NOTHING [email protected] :angry: ( I swear X-ray business must be a hell of a business) he did suggest shooting cortisone in my shoulder in the pain area, which with a more then likely neck problem causing the pain trigger, I don't see what that would have done?, so I didn't do that, So he set me up to do physical therapy, which has been helping me allot, since I have lost allot of strength in my left arm since not being able to shoot since the beginning of June, and non use due to pain, The nerve and non use has weakened my rotator allot, but we are working on it, its just a slow process, and exorcise, as of now, I am coming to the end of what the physical therapy can do for me, as i still have a pinched nerve in my neck so it looks like I am getting bounced to another specialist in the next few weeks to figure out our next step. I did shoot a few arrows without any pain or numbness the other day, so I will continue to add a few shots per day till I get back into shooting strength.

Good luck, hopefully your doc gets a little more aggressive with you and doesn't let it drag out as long as mine did, I think if he would have sent me for physical therapy back in April or May, I wouldn't still be dragging this out in August.

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Well I returned from my first chiro visit ever shortly ago.

This chiro has been practicing for 18 years, and let me tell you...he found a TON of spots that were out of alignment. I described my main problem (right shoulder/back/neck) and a few other mild "hey, I noticed a little pain here every now and then" spots. He narrowed right in on every one of them and made some serious adjustments in my neck, lower back, and shoulders.

In respect to my right shoulder/back/neck, he said exactly what you guys did. It is likely sublaxation with strained rotator cuff and sub clavical muscles. He recommended a follow-up visit tomorrow and will give me a subscription for an x-ray to be sure nothing is severely hurt.

Specifically, he did pop the clavical (collar bone?) back into alignment. It was pretty bad he said. I had a huge knot in my right back muscle which he applied a heat pad with electro static stimulation to loosen up. He said the neck is going to be difficult because of the nerves, vains, etc in the area that can cause pain when trying to adjust that area. He spoke of doing an alterior adjustment through the back to reach the neck area as an initial step to try to work the muscles back into their normal positions. He also popped a few vertibrea (upper) back into position and is working on a lower one that is way out of alignment and has been bothering me for years, but not enough to make me see a doctor about.

Ultimately, he said things are pretty out of wack. How much is hard to tell, but he estimates at least a handful more visits (quoting around 5-6) should take care of me. He said lay off the bow at least until things are back in place and heeled, and then he can introduce some resistance to see if things remain in place. Any mild to major resistance during the healing process will just push things back out of alignment.

I thought he described things quite well in how things go out of alignment and how they have to be pushed back into alignment. He got kind of technical with the brain, and electric signals firing through the muscles, and joints floating to find their natural balance as controlled by the brain.

Hard to tell if he is just brain washing me, but he seems genuine, and qualified and was certainly able to find EXACTLY where the problems were. I don't mean general area...I mean he was on the exact vertebrea, muscle, bone, whatever was the source of the problem. Especially on the lower back, he knew exactly what was causing the pain out to my lower right side and man did that hurt when he applied some pressure. So that's probably why he is going to take some time with it, since it's been that way for years.

Anyway, seems like there are ALOT of things wacked out, but the major on is indeed my right shoulder/neck/back area. I'll head back to see him tomorrow and see how things proceed.

As far as the bow, as I mentioned above, it looks like at least 2-3 weeks before I'll even pick it up again...and that's if everything goes smooth.

Let me know what you guys think or if you have any questions.
 

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BowhunterNJ said:
I think I'm more worried about being able to shoot my bow this season than living!
I love your priorities Matt!!
 

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I love your priorities Matt!!
:D :D :D

Seriously, I obviously value life...but bowhunting is a big part of my life. But I'll sacrafice whatever time I have to now so I don't risk my future of bowhunting. It sucks right now, but you have to do what you have to do.
 
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