"I feel like their bows are superior to the others" is a good start.
I don't feel that.

 

That's why I said that I stay with PSE because I personally feel that a lot of them are. It's a personal opinion.

 

I think too many still focus on the "point shoot explode" stigma from the old days - thankfully those days are long gone - and I agree with you - PSE now make a top notch product easily comparable, and in many instances better, than the competition...cheers... :darkbeer:

 

I think few reasons stem from the shops that carry them. Some shops bad mouth PSE, even though they carry em. I think they do this to push another brand onto the customer, could be some sort of quota or sales goal or incentive based reasons. I also think many shops are educated on the different cam systems PSE offers, and assume every bow is as aggressive as a full throttle. I asked one shop if they every pulled back the HD cams, they didn't even know what that was...

I have owned the Halon 6, CSTZT 2015, Defiant, and a few different PSE's. The PSE's are hands down the easiest bows to tune. You're simply not going to buy junk dropping 500-1k on any companies bow and it comes down to the intangibles.. IE; customer service, easy to tune, company longevity and reputation and PSE wins all of those IMO...

PSE's have a grip I tend to favor, quiet, vibe free, well built, easy to tune, great customer service, an awesome pro staff that is quite helpful without trying to sell you stuff, what is not to like?

 

Exactly, the shop that I used to go to carries PSE but the owner is a hard core Hoyt man. "If it's not a Hoyt then you're not shooting a bow" type person, which may be why him and his people didn't do crap when I took my PSE Decree there.

 

I don't understand it myself either. I have shot a lot of different brands over the years and ussually find myself shooting a PSE or a Hoyt. The time has come again for a new 3D bow, and this year I feel like there is nothing even remotely close to the PSE Offerings.

 

Currently own many PSE. No complaints here.

 

My sig line says it all. No other archery company offered me as many choices over 31" of draw.

 

Mass sales, that's the reason in a nutshell
Look at bear archery, they have always made good bows. I was on their pro staff for 10 years and owned over 40 bear bows in that time and never had one limb or riser fail. But sense you could go to wal mart and buy one everyone said they were junk.

Pse is in every big sporting chain store, big 5, mail order and people don't know the difference from an entry level pse and a pro series bow. Mathews and hoyt have kept their bows as dealer only bows so they kept the allure of being a better bow.
How many people love the reflex line? For a while they were pretty much the same bows that were in the hoyt line just for the mail order crowd.
Pse tried to do the same thing with the AR line but they still have the box sporting good stors full of pse

And as Long Island said some shops just push one brand, I have a shop like that near me and I just got the pse line into their shop but he still pushes hoyt and the owner doesn't even shoot or hunt

 

people don't know the difference from an entry level pse and a pro series bow.

Sad thing is, some "pro shops" don't know the differences... I'm not saying they should know every bow inside and out (Honestly, they should, because knowledge helps sell product) and it may be asking alot of the shops, but at a bare minimum, they should at least know the different cam systems and have a general idea how they compare to each. Makes ya wonder if they just want to sell you whatever makes the most money or the right bow for the person.

 

PSE has a philosophy of getting the arrow out of the bow quickly.
The quicker the arrow leaves the string, the less time the bow and archer have to apply torque errors to the arrow's trajectory.
This makes for a short let-off valley, and a small power hump near the entrance to the let-off valley.
I noticed the power hump when I first started shooting PSEs, but if you draw through it at a moderate speed, it is not noticeable.
The short let-off valley and power hump has given them an undeserved reputation as a jumpy bow with an uncomfortable draw cycle.
To many archers, these traits do not "FEEL GOOD".
With good form, the let-off valley is plenty long enough. Draw the string to the back wall and gently hold it there till you release.
And there is no good reason for drawing a bow real slow unless you are trying evaluate the draw cycle.

The X-Force technology has given PSE bows limbs that are highly loaded at rest.
This allows PSEs to have a short Brace Height, which also helps the arrow to spend less time in the bow.
This works extremely well, but defies the conventional wisdom held so dearly by traditional archers for centuries.

I think PSE makes great bows. I like PSE's philosophy; they make the most technologically advanced, fastest bows available today.
I am not part of the "FEEL GOOD" traditional crowd that thinks PSE makes strange jumpy bows with an uncomfortable draw cycle.
I am more technically oriented toward a superior piece of precision shooting equipment.

 

PSE has a philosophy of getting the arrow out of the bow quickly.
The quicker the arrow leaves the string, the less time the bow and archer have to apply torque errors to the arrow's trajectory.
This makes for a short let-off valley, and a small power hump near the entrance to the let-off valley.
I noticed the power hump when I first started shooting PSEs, but if you quickly draw through it, it is not noticeable.
The short let-off valley and power hump has given them an undeserved reputation as a jumpy bow with an uncomfortable draw cycle.
To many archers, these traits do not "FEEL GOOD".
With good form, the let-off valley is plenty long enough. Draw the string to the back wall and gently hold it there till you release.
And there is no good reason for drawing a bow real slow unless you are trying evaluate the draw cycle.

The X-Force technology has given PSE bows limbs that are highly loaded at rest.
This allows PSEs to have a short Brace Height, which also helps the arrow to spend less time in the bow.
This works extremely well, but defies the conventional wisdom held so dearly by traditional archers for centuries.

I think PSE makes great bows. I like PSE's philosophy; they make the most technologically advanced, fastest bows available today.
I am not part of the "FEEL GOOD" traditional crowd that thinks PSE makes strange jumpy bows with an uncomfortable draw cycle.
I am more technically oriented toward a superior piece of precision shooting equipment.

I completely agree, and other brands put out some great bows too, I'm not gonna deny or even hate on them cause there is no reason to. I just feel like PSE doesn't get the credit they deserve for continually putting out the fastest and advanced bows available.

 

:thumbs_up :thumbs_up I have no hate for any well made bow. :thumbs_up :thumbs_up

 

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I'm not sure who was the first to try split limbs or even who was the first to make it their main way of building bows but I know pse didn't focus on building them that way till others had been doing it a while.
I think hoyt started building most of their bows split limb in 97 and I know Bear started building them that way about the same time.

Funny thing, PSE did have a shoot through riser and a all carbon riser back in 2000 or 2001 but neither sold well

 

PSE's Pro-Line target bows do look like a different breed. Thanks for the heads up.
I do find all of my PSE bows to be very comfortable,
but the philosophy I discussed does cause a lot of their bows to feel different from other brands.
And those are PSE core philosophies; that was my point.

Wouldn't it be interesting if PSE offered a huge let-off valley as an adjustment?
I wonder how many people would give up two inches of speed to have two more inches of play in their let-off valley.
In reality, that is the choice we make when we choose a bow with a generis let-off valley.

 

I just bought my first pse and I love it. But before when I would hold I one I would think it just feels cheap. I don't know know where that thought came from but after shooting my supra max for a month or so now I don't think that anymore. The only problem I have is I do not think their ME cams are as smooth as people say. I found if draw back quick that my arrow will not stay on the rest. But if I slowly draw back till that first flat part rolls over then I can pick up the pace. Took me forever to get that right.
With that I would love a new expression. They look very high end. I think it was the riser with the big sticker in the middle that I thought was cheap. But the the new supra, dominators, and expressions look good without them.

 

I was out of archery for 20 years and last year I decided to get back into it. So I did a lot of research before I made my purchase. I decided to go with an Elite Victory, it just seamed to be what I was looking for. I would say if I had to rate the victory I would give it a 7 out of 10. It's a good bow, but I didn't like the idea of shimming it to get it to tune down the middle, but that's what I had to do to get it tuned. Everyone talked about how great it held but I didn't find this to be true for me. This year I decided I would try the Xpression and I rate it a 9.5 out of 10. Easy to tune and it holds 10 times better for me than the victory. I looked over the PSE last year due to the reputation from 20 years ago. Everyone says it's the Indian and not the bow. I have to disagree, my scores have went up because the Xpression shoots better for me than the Victory. I don't think I will be going back to a high let off bow.

 

I tuned my Beast last night and I agree completely. My last bow was a binary cam bow with no yoke adjustments and had all of the issues that go along with that system. Using the new PSE LAS I was able to get everything tuned up to shoot right down the middle. It was much easier to do that on the Beast than what I would have had to do with my old bow. It holds great too. I have the high letoff mods in now, but I'll probably try the 65% mods at some point in the not too distant future.

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Made the change from a Hoyt Maxxis 35 with RKT cams to a Supra EXT and it is one of the best moves I have ever made. Great bow holds great IMO the best looking bow out there. I am getting 320 out of it. Might look into some full throttle cams after 3D is over.
My indoor score went up to 299-300 and X count jumped as well.
Best part is, no more shoulder pain.

 

I bought my first PSE in January and I was really surprised. I had always primarily shot Hoyts, and still do. I never thought I would own a PSE due to the bad rap guys give them. A lot of the guys on AT don't seem to own a bow long enough to know if they like it or not. If I was looking to buy new, PSE would now be my first choice. Easy to tune, fast, a great grip, and can fit about anyone with their offerings. Their resale value isn't the best, but I have took a beating on some Hoyts too.

 

Those that Hate on PSE should shoot the new Expression 3D . I have been a Hoyt guy most of my life, but have also owned my share of Mathews and a few different brands. I just received my new Expression 3D last night and was looking forward to a tuning session tonite, well that took about 6 shots to have BS hitting with FP at 20 yards.

I started with centershot rite straight down the Powerpath of the string, set it close to nock level, checked timing and sync after setting DL and installing limb stop and shot a BS. I added a 1/2 twist to one side, and took 1/2 out of the other and Bang. I put about 2 clicks into my blade and BS an FP were slapping together. I have never had a bow setup and tune so nicely, and on top of that it holds on target like nothing Iv ever had, it's rock solid. The one thing I was happy to see is how nice all the adjustments were, from DL adjustment, the flex guard, the LAS system, and DW adj were all butter smooth, you can really tell the quality and attention to detail that went into this bow. Well done PSE

 

Dang you guys got me wanting a Expression 3D now bad...time to update my target rig...but I also want a Carbon Air bad too....need them both....

 

I just picked up a 2014 Stinger 3D virtually new..maybe 30-40 shots for $160. For the money I couldn't say no....it truly shoots like a $600-800 bow.
I can't believe how forgiving it is and the speed. It's actually blowing thru my bag compared to my other bows in the past. Sneaky amount of kinetic energy. Attention to quality and detail is impressive!


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I have owned 4 PSE bows and liked all of them My last PSE 2012 Bow Madness 3G was every bit as accurate as any bow I have ever shot and out as far as I could shoot it. Never ever had a problem with them in any way. I certainly have owned other big name bow company bows that I have had problems with. Not all PSE models are going to suit everyone the same as any other companies bows. And newer doesn't necessarily mean better. Just because a bow company comes out with new bows each year that doesn't automatically mean they are better than the previous years bows. Sometimes if you go back a year or three you will find a bow that really fits and shoots for you than newer ones.

 

I hear ya.All i know, is i shoot my mainline PSE's as well as any other brand. Some costing 3 times the price. But for me its all about how the bow feels in hand, and that is where the PSE grip, and balance shine imo.
Love their limbs, and limb pocket designs as well.:thumbs_up
Just wish they'd ditch all the red accent colors:violin:

 

PSE was my first namebrand I shot and I was instantly a fanboy. Over the years I have had dozens of different bows but I have NEVER went 1 day without a pse in the stable. Right now I have my 09 GX and my 13 dna that I just had Breathn put HD cams on and I love it. PSE has the best grips on their bows hands down. I had an elite impulse and the grip was absolutely horrid compared to any pse I have shot. I think PSE could do a better job with marketing the higher end bows as well as the value bows but need to make sure the value bows are hyped as "value bows" so people don't get it confused. I do however think that the value bows they have are better or as good as some companies high end bows. I shot the Carbon air vs a hoyt carbon spyder and defiant this year. The carbon air had a way better draw cycle and was noticeably lighter than both hoyts plus has better technology. In the end, the bow I went with is a mathews halon which is funny because I have never liked mathews, in fact despised them because of the advertising they use and that old 2x4 grip which they got rid of. I have not been a fan boy in quite some time but still would put PSE as my #1 due to the technology advances and smoothness of draw when shooting over 345 ibo! My dna drew amazingly smooth next to that elite impulse 34. It actually disgusted me a bit that I dropped all that money on a new bow and my 13 dna was better in every facet including technology. That impulse only lasted a month, lol. PSE has that flex slide which makes a hell of a difference with reducing torque as well. Very accurate bows for sure.
People get that big box store thing in their heads when thinking of bear or pse because that is what they see there but don't understand that they are mainline bows and not pro series. It is a good thing that PSE has so many different bows to choose from IMO. Beginner to expert, kids to adult, and girls to boys-the options are out there with PSE.

 

Where I live, if you want to sell your PSE, you might as well go drop it off at the Goodwill store. I quit buying brand new PSE bows in 2010 because I was tired of giving them away 6 months later. I have asked my buddies why they won't shoot a PSE, they just shrug their shoulders. I don't think even they know. The funny thing is, none of them were even into archery when PSE stood for Parts Scattered Everywhere. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a PSE or Bear bow but for the guy who doesn't have much depth to his knowledge of bows, I think they just feel safer going with what is popular and cool.

 

Around here PSE is whats popular and cool. PSE is the biggest in the shops here in CNY followed by Hoyt then Mathews then Bowtech. At least it seems that way to me. It was not like this 10 years ago when Mathews was on top

 

I just got back into shooting very recently and found myself going with a PSE. Growing up I shot an XI before I stopped shooting around 2003. I was perplexed at first because of how much modern technology has changed the look and performance of compound bows. I went with a PSE Brute Force for a couple reasons. I wanted a good 'starter' bow that could perform for what I needed, and I didn't want to break the bank to get one. So far I'm really happy with my decision, I feel my bow shoots great. Down the road I'll eventually upgrade as I become more active with the hobby. When that day comes I may or may not get another PSE, but so far they haven't given me a reason to not want one.

 

not sure how you'd upgrade from that bow.
you could however spend alot more for a bow.
shoot str8, and enjoy:thumbs_up

 

I have a PSE for one reason only.

Where I bought it, it was the only option, for a 33" Draw lenght.

I wanted something cheaper, than the PSE Freak SP, but ather the Pro Shop manager(Martin Damsbo) showed me a couple of decent bows, He told me, that for my size(6'7") , I really needed a LONG draw lenght.
I tried several bows, at 31-31½" and they simply did not fit.

I ended up with the Freak SP.
I am very happy with that choice. If I had gone cheap, and bought a 31½" draw lenght, I would likely have given up, on archery.

I bought it, in October 2015, this is my first bow, and I am still learning.