If it were me I would get the Iron Will reinforced hit system with the collars. You can get the weight where you want it and they are very strong. Way stronger than the outsert in my opinion.

 

I'm also on the boat of hit inserts with good collars

 

I use the Iron Will components and I agree with HSmithTX. I blew through a treated 2x6 using a GT Black Label Quantum. Arrow was perfect, but I need a new 2x6. 25 grain steel HIT and the 25 impact collar or a 50 grain steel HIT and the 10 grain titanium impact collar.

Chip

 

I've used easton brass HIT inserts with Ethics Outserts/collars. Indestructible. I've had some accidents.

 

Shot micro with outserts for years. Went to rip with regular hits and ethics stainless collars for 48gr up front. It’s been the most durable build for me. I will try the iron wills if I ever break 1. I suspect I’ll lose them before I can break them.

 

Brass hits 75 grainers and Ti iron will collars on mine. Setup has proved to be super tough so far.

 

that's exactly what i use too. couldn't get easton hit epoxy to stick to the rip tkos though, had to use high impact golf club epoxy, which is holding great. from a pure durability standpoint, seems pretty likely that iron will steel inserts are more durable than easton brass, but the brass ones are quite tough in their own right.

 

I have found that scoring the ID of the shaft with a brass brush helps

 

I’ve used Easton brass 50/75g HIT inserts with the Iron Will 10g. It’s a solid system but I had 2 of my inserts seat too deep, waste of expensive arrows. I could feel the tool creating a vacuum and feel like it needs a relief hole or notch.
I’ve also used the victory shok ss insert (60g) and don’t have any complaints with them.
In theory the hit inserts and collars would be stronger but with 2 wasted arrows I’m a little sour on the process.

 

I’ve used Easton brass 50/75g HIT inserts with the Iron Will 10g. It’s a solid system but I had 2 of my inserts seat too deep, waste of expensive arrows. I could feel the tool creating a vacuum and feel like it needs a relief hole or notch.
I’ve also used the victory shok ss insert (60g) and don’t have any complaints with them.
In theory the hit inserts and collars would be stronger but with 2 wasted arrows I’m a little sour on the process.

You need to remove the nock before trying to install them, and don't put it back in until after 24 hours.
That will solve the vacuum issue.

 

You don't do the final push for about an hour after mixing the epoxy to avoid insert depth issues. And check them again periodically:

I did score my arrows ID with a brass brush prior to trying the Easton epoxy, and clean ID with acetone.

 

just easton standard or brass hit inserts for me.

 

Good video I can see why Easton didn’t put out this video though. It shows how finicky they can be.

 

Massive pain to assemble. Work great once they're done though.

 

I'm currently testing some BE Rampages with the Ethics Adjustable HIT insert and collar. I'm using the full length aluminum version which is 65 grains total and 100 grain point. I'm hot melting everything together just like a Snyder core system. So far I'm really impressed with arrow flight and I think this system is the most durable 204 setup currently out there.. Just a lot of support on the end of the shaft. Also, since I have about 2.5 to 3 inches of support inside of the shaft, getting a good concentric point to shaft fit is just another positive of the system.

 

I’ve tried the Podium Archery outserts and have been very impressed. They have been through a few hogs and even hit a tree and still going strong.

 

I Actully like the rip in/outserts I know people had issues with them bending I have yet to have one do that to me

 

Same here....I have had some bend but that is why I only use hot melt. I have NEVER had one pull out AND if I damage one or more importantly want to get a fixed head to spine I can heat it up. I NEVER use epoxy. I something gets damaged or if a head wobbles it is a waster of $20+....that's just me.

 

I know so far in the thread everyone is saying some form of hit and collar. Im sure they are very durable.

I’ll just say that all I use on rip and rip tko are the 60 grain stainless steel shok ss insert. I’ve put them through many animals without even a wobble. It takes a clean miss into rocky ground to get just a slight wobble out of one for me. I’ve had some clean miss hard impact that have blunted field points and the arrow still spins true. I am 31” dl and shoot 70 to 75 lbs so there is a lot of energy behind my arrows. No problems getting them out of bag targets for me either. I have had issues in the past with some collars and bag targets or bulldog brand targets.

I square the ends of my arrows and use insert iron for the adhesive. Have to let it cure for a night before shooting, but works like a charm for me. Never had one come out bad and I’ve built dozens of arrows using the above method.

 

Another vote for the iron will hit inserts and collars. I have used the stock half outs, brass hit inserts and the iron will system and iron will has been by far the best

 

Iron will HIT and collars for sure

 

Ok. Sounds like the iron will hit insert and collar are the go to. Next question I have is can you put them in with hot melt instead of a super glue/epoxy?

Ive got some hexx 260 that just don’t work for my set up so I’m looking to try the rip tko.

 

yep. I hot melt all of mine with the hot melt iron will sells on their site

 

I Actully like the rip in/outserts I know people had issues with them bending I have yet to have one do that to me

I know so far in the thread everyone is saying some form of hit and collar. Im sure they are very durable.

I’ll just say that all I use on rip and rip tko are the 60 grain stainless steel shok ss insert. I’ve put them through many animals without even a wobble. It takes a clean miss into rocky ground to get just a slight wobble out of one for me. I’ve had some clean miss hard impact that have blunted field points and the arrow still spins true. I am 31” dl and shoot 70 to 75 lbs so there is a lot of energy behind my arrows. No problems getting them out of bag targets for me either. I have had issues in the past with some collars and bag targets or bulldog brand targets.

I square the ends of my arrows and use insert iron for the adhesive. Have to let it cure for a night before shooting, but works like a charm for me. Never had one come out bad and I’ve built dozens of arrows using the above method.

Same for me. Any time (and every time) I build up some Victory RIP/RIP TKO arrows (300's), I've always used their inserts. I have some with the 60gr SHOK SS insert and I have some with the 50gr SHOK TL204 insert and to date, I have yet to have one break, bend or deform in any way. I also use Victory's Black Fusion insert glue and again, to date, I have yet to have an insert come out, break loose or do anything other than hold fast as it should.

 

Is it possible to set up w victory for 65/28 around 420 grains or under with hit and collar?

 

You should be able to get right around 400g with a 15g iron will insert, 10g iron will collar and a 100g broadhead.

 

Call Iron Will, they will fix you up.

 

I have 2 different setups with rip tkos. One is a standard hit with a collar. First round almost all my inserts broke free. The epoxy didn’t stick to the shaft. And yes I properly cleaned them before gluing. So I pulled all the inserts and used a .20 cal bore brush to clean/score the id of the shaft and since then the inserts have been rock solid.
I also have some with the black eagle steel half outs with additional weight screwed into the back. They have also been very durable

 

I've used firenock 30 grain titanium inserts.

 

Iron will components they also sell the hot melt they recommend as well.