Ok, I started out with climbers and used the vest and the life line rope all the way up and down the tree. Then last year I got my first Loc On and thought to myself now what happens if I slip on the way up or while getting on or off that loc on? I invested 150 dollars in 4, 30 foot life lines and am tied in from the time I leave the ground till I step off those sticks. Nobody in my old club used these and I think thought I was a little to cautious. I see no difference falling from the sticks or the stand it still hurts or kills doesn't it? The real trick is when you get up there and step onto or off that stand, turn and hook up then set down. You owe it to yourself and your family to stay tied in the whole time. If you are climbing anything and aren't tied in you are asking for it. Please be safe out there.:darkbeer: