I don't know about you, but I'm sick off all the posts about Vortex optics !!! Lately it seems that Archery Talk has become a big advertising space for Vortex. I don't really see what this has to do with General Archery discussion. I'm sure there's a better place in the forum , if you must post about your binoculars. Why not go to opticstalk.com and post over there ???