[chasin_wapiti]

I was just wondering why all these call people such as the primos team, carlton calls , H.S. calls and so forth have to hire guides and outfitters to show off thier stuff? Why don't they make videos of public land do it yourself hunts in high pressure areas where pretty much all of us hunt? Then they could see how thier call competes with five other bow hunters using different calls in the same area. I personally think any body can call an elk on a ranch or sit infront of a guide while he calls and kill big bulls. As for us ,the general public, we got to be the best with the best calls to kill bulls that get called to on a regular basis. I know that some have done a few but they were still way up in a wilderness away from people. I was just courious on why?

 

[Lien2]

Because they need to show kills in order to sell their product and/or have successful vidoes. Would you buy a 60 minute elk hunting video that doesn't show any elk?!

Lien2

 

[chasin_wapiti]

The videos i understand. I love them all. My question is how do they prove thier calls are the best ,not thier outfitter?

 

[KSNimrod]

I don't claim to speak for them, but I don't think they're out to prove that their calls are the BEST, but rather that they work. A call is a tool that works in certain situations that depend on many factors. The hunting pressure and herd numbers that you reference on a lot a public land certainly would play a part in a call's success. Even an animals individual "personality" will play a part. I've rattled before only to watch what appeared to be mature bucks jump out of their skin and run the other way. Other times a small buck will come to the same rattling like he's going to tear somebody in half.

In short, I don't think the call/video makers are saying that the ONLY reason they got an animal was due to the call. If they are, they're being foolish.

 

[WIbow]

In all honestly I think it is the "caller" first and actual call second. Some folks could blow into a shoe and make it sound great.

 

[teal325]

KS and WI have it right IMO. Also realize that some states or provinces have regulations that non-resident hunters MUST use a licensed guide for certain animals. Other states with good populations of game also do not have large tracts of public land. An outfitter with access to leased property might be the only way to hunt that game in the state.

 

[KSNimrod]

In all honestly I think it is the "caller" first and actual call second. Some folks could blow into a shoe and make it sound great.

Man I HATE those guys!! :wink: Unless they show me some of their secrets...

 

[slinger09]

Most of the Primos guys live in Mississippi, which is a long way from an elk herd. Hard to scout public land everyday to prepare for a hunt when you live a thousand miles away. By using an outfitter who has scouted and is familiar with the area you have a better chance for success. Like it was said above not too many of us want to buy a video of Will walking around aimlessly tooting his cow call.

 

[swoosh]

I was just wondering why all these call people such as the primos team, carlton calls , H.S. calls and so forth have to hire guides and outfitters to show off thier stuff? Why don't they make videos of public land do it yourself hunts in high pressure areas where pretty much all of us hunt? Then they could see how thier call competes with five other bow hunters using different calls in the same area. I personally think any body can call an elk on a ranch or sit infront of a guide while he calls and kill big bulls. As for us ,the general public, we got to be the best with the best calls to kill bulls that get called to on a regular basis. I know that some have done a few but they were still way up in a wilderness away from people. I was just courious on why?

Because you can not train public deer/elk to come to a call during dinner time.

Most places feed the deer/elk, and when they put the food out they blow the call. Deer learn call = food and come on in.

 

[canes venatici]

I talked with Will Primos when he was at the RMEF convention in Portland, OR last year. I asked him why they use guides. He told me that the guides know where the elk are. Therefore, they don't have to waste time scouting, they can just go hunt. Slinger09 mentioned this.

The other thing he mentioned was that the guides take care of the animals. This enables the Primos guys to spend more hours hunting and filming thus creating a better video. The more hunts you get, the more footage you can pull from to make your videos. The more opportunities you have, the better success you will have. Pretty simple concept really. I guess that means that they let the guides do most of the dirty work.. One of the perks of being a host i guess

 

[Whaack]

:deadhorse

 

[Bees]

the best electronic calls have the corn feeder sounds on them.

 

[nwsoftball]

The first "The Truth about Elk Hunting" was filmed over several years. Now, they have a market and audience that demands a new version every year. With deer, turkeys and ducks thrown in the mix, plus running a corporation, it doesn't take much to eat away any opportunity for a DIY type hunt.

 

[BookingDep]

Regarding Subject

I was at a seminar with a few of the guys from Hunters Specialties. I asked similar questions and they stated that he they hunted public land like ourselves it would just cost too much money. I kind of understand because look at how many hours we spend in the woods to harvest a muture buck. If these guys had to do the same, just think about the money they would spend in camera time alone. Do you really think that they could produce hunts for us to watch if they only harvested one deer a season. Sometimes it takes me the whole season to even see a mature buck. I live in Central New York.

 

[Bobmuley]

I talked with Will Primos when he was at the RMEF convention in Portland, OR last year. I asked him why they use guides. He told me that the guides know where the elk are. Therefore, they don't have to waste time scouting, they can just go hunt. Slinger09 mentioned this.

The other thing he mentioned was that the guides take care of the animals. This enables the Primos guys to spend more hours hunting and filming thus creating a better video. The more hunts you get, the more footage you can pull from to make your videos. The more opportunities you have, the better success you will have. Pretty simple concept really. I guess that means that they let the guides do most of the dirty work.. One of the perks of being a host i guess

They sure are missing out on alot of the overall experience...:sad:

Even hauling elk out is fun....in retrospect.:wink:

 

[Slippy Field]

Because they need to show kills in order to sell their product and/or have successful vidoes. Would you buy a 60 minute elk hunting video that doesn't show any elk?!

Lien2

Yeah I would. Cause I would sit around and think, man, these guys suck and it would make me feel better about myself.

 

[Mike Trump]

Yeah I would. Cause I would sit around and think, man, these guys suck and it would make me feel better about myself.

LOL! That sounded just like a "Jack Handy" quote. Anybody remember that skit? Funny stuff. Thanks for the laugh Slippy!

 

[Guest]

I talked with Will Primos when he was at the RMEF convention in Portland, OR last year. I asked him why they use guides. He told me that the guides know where the elk are. Therefore, they don't have to waste time scouting, they can just go hunt. Slinger09 mentioned this.

The other thing he mentioned was that the guides take care of the animals. This enables the Primos guys to spend more hours hunting and filming thus creating a better video. The more hunts you get, the more footage you can pull from to make your videos. The more opportunities you have, the better success you will have. Pretty simple concept really. I guess that means that they let the guides do most of the dirty work.. One of the perks of being a host i guess

I agree with your statement if you replace the bolded words with shooting/killing.
I agree with Bob, scouting, finding, and hauling meat are a huge part of the experience IMO

 

[Orions_Bow]

Those videos are marketing for their products. They have to show success, they want to hunt in high success rate areas with a lot of game to show good footage. Also to video that many kills in a year they have to travel form state to state, the best way to plan that without a lot of scouting and such is to hire a very expereinced outfitter or guide that can put them on game fast with a high chance of success in just a few days. Videos/TV shows are marketing, I would imagine those hunts are billed as marketing & R&D when they do their financial books at the end of the business year.