Did you sight it in with the range finder? If so may be looking low in peep at the 814 yard position. Don't take much at the longer distances.

 

I sighted in with a range finder. One thing I just thought of based on your comment. My 3/16 peep is not super precise on this sight housing. It's a little bit too large. I wonder if a next size smaller peep would be better? The thing was all the arrows were relatively together, but low. I may be looking low in the peep like you said.

 

Make a tape shot and marked at all yardages, then match it to another tape. If none of them match....well.....

 

The thing is, my sight and tape is on from 60 yards in. Just low at 80.

 

Past 60 your anchor has to change for you to see through peep usually. You are possibly, as you alluded to, not centering scope due to a slightly different anchor at longer ranges.

 

Thanks. I'll keep it in mind and make sure it's centered in my peep. I may have to go down a peep size too. This bow belonged to a hunter before me and I think getting more light in for shorter ranges was his intended purpose.

It may not be ideal for 80-100 yards shots.

 

I am big on peep to scope alignment, some people aren't. But I really want my peep opening to match my scope outline. This is one thing about dovetail mounts , you have more options to move it to match the peep opening when you get into the smaller peeps.

 

20-60 reference tapes almost never work at longer distance. As mentioned, shoot your tape in and compare/match to a pre-made tape.

 

I guess I’ve been lucky with the MBG tapes. Sight in from 20-60 measure the gap and find the tape that matches and I’m golden to 100yds.

 

That's a good method.

 

I do as the above mentioned. I use a pieces of masking tape and mark my own marks after I have perfected that range. Then match tape to my own made tape. I haven’t done a ton of shooting past 60z I just don’t shoot that far. Being alittle older I’m not consistently accurate way out there. I have plonked a few here and there

 

At 305 fps the sight scale is pretty compressed at close distance where you may think is exactly on but its hard to tell if it truly is exactly on at close range… as you get further out in distance the gap opens up and this is where being off 1 yard or 2 is much easier to notice… are you using a bullseye to sight in or a horizontal line? I shoot at piece of black electrical tape to set my sight tape… try this at 30 and 60 yards to pick a sight tape

 

Some tips I’ve learned over the last few year shooting out to 150 yards that really help. Set your peep height with your sight at about 60-70 yards. When you shoot farther it with help with the long range anchor. Might feel a touch cramped at shorter ranges but nothing crazy. Get an adjustable peep and find the perfect ring as close as possible. Any variance will hurt at long range. The 20-60 is not the perfect tape and you won’t always keep that. Mine changed 3 tapes down from 47 to 44 after shooting in my 100 yard mark. All the detail above are great ideas, using custom tapes with marks, helps get you Dialed in. Remember that the tapes they send are from one arrow setup that you likely don’t have. The variables at distance are going to change from setup to setup. I’ve had the MBG sights as well and they do sometimes match but I always made mine in archers advantage and dialed in up to 120 yards my using a caliper…not easy but doable. It’s a great sight choice I love my RYZ max and my wife has the RYZ. Let us know how you make out!

 

^^^ What he said
If you don’t have a dovetail or haven’t moved your sight in at all the way I would try that first before going down in peep size or just order the Hamskea insight peep without the clarifiers

 

When I set up the sight, initially, I set it all the way forward since that is best for accuracy from what I've heard. Then, I had to move it all the way in to match the peep as close as possible.

Also, my set up tape started at 0 for my 20 yard and ended up at 32 for my 60 yard. The sight provided additional set up tapes. I can just take one and see which sight tape it matches closest to. I imagine this is the same as making my own 20-60 yard initial measurement tape.

I know it's not a perfect system. I could have chosen sight tape 32 or 33. I felt my 32 was a bit tighter so I chose that.

 

100% it's micro adjusting your anchor point (that you may not be aware of) with the scope being below your peep like mentioned above.

One thing that I learned from a John Dudley tip that I never thought of....this is more effective with a handheld release. At longer range once you are anchored, gradually open your mouth/jaw which lowers your lower jaw line and minutely lowers your perceived anchor point and helps center your peep on a lower scope position.

It works pretty slick!

 

On a slightly different note, let me ask you all this.

Since I don't hunt, I've always tried to keep my arrows as light as possible for speed. Gold Tip Velocity 300's with 85 gr. field tips = 385gr. (29" CTC)

Can I do better if I upped the tips to 100gr.? Taking into consideration longer range energy retention. It's only still be around a 400gr. arrow.

Will that small of a change provide better long range performance or should I leave it alone?

 

What vanes are you using? Lower profile vanes will have less drag which would in turn give you better energy retention but I think the fix to your problem is move your peep sight to line up with your sight at 40-50 yards if you want to shoot longer range

 

My target bow has the peep set somewhere around 30-35 because I shoot mostly 3d and indoor but it is still comfortable for 55 when shooting fita style

 

My arrows have 3 Blazer vanes. Next set, I'll go 4 veins low profile.

That's a good idea with moving the peep to be centered at the mid-range. I'll try that.

 

Your sight tapes are based on an equation... the information used in that equation has to be perfect to get perfect results...

1) Most shooters could set their bow to 17yds and still stay comfortably in the white on a blue face at 20. (there's a 3yard difference right there). Then, when you get to 60 yards, your pin/dot/reference takes up more real estate on the target... with a .019" pin that could be a 3-4yd margin of error just based on your pin size at that distance.

2) For best results and a sight tape... Shoot a sight mark for every 10 yards and match it up to one of the tapes in your kit. then go to the furthest distance you KNOW you can shoot good groups but probably won't smash arrows... Shoot at that distance and reset your indicator.

 

Excellent advice as far as matching 10 yd increments. I can get a tight group out to 60 yards if I try hard, but that's the furthest I can go.

 

I've had this issue before on pre-printed sight tapes.

The longer you can sight the better. I usually use 20 and 80 or even 100. I'll put a blank piece of paper on the sight, get sighted in at 20, mark it, then start walking back slowly until I'm shooting dead on groups at 80, 90, 100. Mark that on my sight tape.

Then I go back and use my calipers to measure the distance between my 20 and long range mark. I take that measurement over to the sight tapes and match it up.

I've had much less issue doing it this way than using their math to figure it out.

 

I'll do it that way from now on. It's more time consuming but I think it will pay off.

 

You probably have more HHA tapes, I would look at the 33 or 34 and temp tape them on and as the 20-50 won't change much the 60-80 will. When you were sighting at 60yds if you weren't on a 2" dot at 60 it makes a difference. All of my HHA tapes are spot on for all yardages provided so yours can be too.

 

I'll give it a shot. Definitely was not a 2" group at 60.

 

I would do 30 and 60 yards, harder to be off that far at 30 yards and not know it. I also put a piece of tape on a horizontal line and not worry about missing left and right. You are only focused on up and down misses. Also make sure you are honest with yourself, if a shot didn't feel right but still hit good don't count it.

 

Agreed. I used the horizontal tape method this time. Works well.

 

At 81 yards, if your sight setting is 1 or 2 yards off it would do that, and like you said its a short tape which would make a precise setting difficult