I like both but with my 50lber bow I'd use the black hornets, but I'd take the ST with heavier draw weights.

 

I've shot both. Both are quality heads, but for me, the ser-razor wins out. Better flight and better customer service. Magnus is tough to beat!

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Same perspective here. ST makes some great heads, no doubt. My wife has had great success with ST Standards, but those ser razors are wicked. I killed a hog with one last year, and it was a short and impressive. I'd post the pick but I lost it in a phone change.

 

62.lbs
31"DL
425 GR arrow

 

Slick tricks hands down.

 

Magnus, bc of their customer service. Both heads will kill deer & shoot great if tuned. But Magnus guarantee & service is supposed to be second to none.


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I'd do black hornet, can't go wrong with Magnus

 

Love my slick tricks...just knocked down a 580lb new Hampshire bear with it...

 

Tricks for sure.

 

Both are great. I prefer cut on contact and like the thick main blade on the hornets better than the thinner blades on slicks.

 

I agree... the "2 blade" black hornet would be best.

However, if we are talking about comparing 4 blade black hornet to 4 blade slick trick the thick stonger blade of the black hornet does not mean jack when 60%+ of the ferrule is machined out to accomadate the bleeder blade. If magnus slotted the ferrule to accomadate the bleeder instead the 4 blade black hornet would be one of the best heads on the market but its probably one of the weakest...IMO

 

I don't think there is a "for sure" here. Both are very good heads. Magnus absolutely doesn't fly any better than ST. In my testing the Black Hornet was, if anything, slightly more sensitive but both will fly very well out of a well tuned bow. The Black Hornets are made with very tight tolerances and ALWAYS spun well. ST occasionally will have a head that isn't perfect. With ST you can replace the blades vs. having to sharpen them yourself like you do with the Magnus. Honestly, you could flip a coin.

If you want a head that frankly stand out from those two as being "for sure" a bit better you need to look at the Exodus.

 

Predator, I agree and disagree. I found that the Black Hornets fly better that ST, more true I think, tighter groups. Tolerance is better and so spin amazing from the factory. I used to shoot ST's and had to run a 4 fletch to get them to shoot tighter groups. I recently switched to Black Hornets, shot two deer with them and one was replaced by Magnus no questions asked. The CS is amazing. I do agree that Exodus are very fine heads. For me it was Exodus or Magnus, I tried Magnus first and i'm happy, very happy. I do know the Exodus are sweet flyers and sharp. I have friends using them.

The black hornets holes are giant, probably the best blood trails i've laid down in 29 years of hunting. Rage laid a better trail but Rage are garbage, I went away from tin can made broadheads about 10 years ago. Fixed head or nothing for me.

 

I have shot lots of stuff with Slick trick Mags, both 100 and 125 grain. The list includes, turkey, deer, and some pretty big African stuff.

Tried Magnus Serazors 125 gr this past spring. Shot three turkeys and they performed well on those birds.

Both are excellent heads. I'd give the Serazor the nod on penetration cause of the COC point, but you cant go wrong with either.

 

I shot Slick Tricks for years when I shot 70# bows.

Last season I lowered my draw weight to 50#. I thought I better get a cut on contact head. I went with the Black Hornet (non-serrated).

I killed 5 deer with the Magnus heads last season.

This year I switched back to Slick Tricks.

Even though the Magnus heads killed 5 deer, I was not impressed with them. Very fragile... Everyone of them was damaged beyond repair after killing 1 deer.

 

The reason i said Slick Trick for sure.

 

thanks gang
looks like i will stay with the S/T for now

 

I've killed deer with Slick trick magnum and the 2 blade Serrazor. I also posted a little bone busting test on here back in June or July. Both good heads, I rank the 2 blade Serrazor on top. Great penetration even on bone from what I have seen and super tough. Slick trick magnum #2, tough ferrule but weaker blades and the 4 blade Serrazor below the others due to the notched out ferrule although I have not personally tested it.

 

i have shot animals with both, give me the black hornets!

 

IMO, Slick trick blades are pretty fragile. Yes you can replace them for $. Magnus replaces broadheads for free. Honestly, I don't even have the heart to ask for a replacement. $30 a pack of heads isn't going to stop me from going hunting, lol.

 

enkriss-No broadhead made today is indestructible and our broadheads have taken every animal on this earth since 2005 when we come out with our Magnus stinger and stinger buzzcut. The broadhead in the picture you showed where the ferrule is broke, I am very confident based on all ofour testing and personal experience on many animals that if any broadhead including the slick trick was to hit the same exact object at the same exact angle with the same exact arrow and the same exact poundage that the broadhead would have been damaged beyond being able to be used again. No broadhead is perfect and we are not perfect. But what we do, do is when you shoot thru an animal and if you damage one of our broadheads regardless of what it hits, you email us a picture of the broadhead with your name and address and we will replace.

The pictures I have attached here are from customers who had emailed us these pictures and all are with the 4 blade Stinger, 4 blade Stinger Buzzcut and 4 blade black hornet and black hornet ser razor.The Stinger 4 blade buzzcut which is thru the bone is from a test which Eastman bowhunting did by Dan Pickar. Our broadheads are 100 percent made in Central Kansas USA. I have also attached a video of tests which were done from a guy who has no association with Magnus and have also attached the same tests done on other broadheads.

 

I haven't killed anything with either heads, but I'd give Magnus the nod. You will be hard pressed to find better customer service or warranty on a broadheads.

 

The one thing I can tell you after being in business for this our 32nd year and starting Magnus from a spare bedroom in my parents home when I was 24 years old. Is nothing is perfect. We are quality control fanatics but still we are not perfect. Not every bowhunter will be happy with our broadheads and to be honest I wish every bowhunter was completely happy and satisfied but the thing I have learned in 32 years is its just not possible and the reason its not possible is because we are talking about a projectile which is traveling anywhere from 300 to 365 fps out of a 70 lbs compound or a 150 lb crossbow and upon impact of something extremely hard like a shoulder ball joint or a steel rod in a foam target or another broadhead hitting a broadhead at this speed, something is going to give and it doesn't matter if the broadhead is made out of 7075 t6 aluminum or if its made of steel.

BUT.... when a bowhunter completely shoots thru an animal and it hits a rock or is damaged shooting thru a target and it hits a rod or if a bowhunter robinhoods his broadhead and damages the blade, all you need to do is email us a picture of the broadhead with your name and addres and we will replace it.

As long as I am the owner of Magnus we will always give our customers more than they ask for and we will always do the very best we can to make the best broadheads we can make.

 

What more does a bowhunter need to hear. This is why Magnus earned my business. Stand up company made right here in the USA. THANK YOU MIKE.


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Here are the video of the testing done by a independent tester and all the different broadheads tested.

 

For me it's no contest. I'll take the Magnus Ser Razer 4 blade anyday. Especially the newer slick tricks.

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Slick Tricks are good heads, no doubt. I tried them a few times back in their early days of 2007 and 2008. Back then I was experimenting with several heads it seemed. I had a couple nice kills with Tricks. In 2008, I also lost a 143" buck when shooting the original Tricks. I choked ... admittedly ... I yanked the shot and drilled him right in the shoulder bone. 2" of penetration and he lived. He lived until I dropped him 4 weeks later with my muzzleloader. I had the taxidermist preserve the Trick wound in the hide on the mount as part of the memory of the hunt. I don't blame the Trick at all. I blame myself. However, I want a broadhead that keeps driving and performing when I screw up. So I went back to cut on contacts, specifically the Magnus Stingers that I had hunted with some a couple years prior. Since then I have been all Magnus ... to the point the owner, Mike Sohm, and I became good friends ... so now admittedly I am biased.

What I will say is that I have killed big game with every head that Magnus offers. I can tell you that the only time that I have damaged any of their heads was when the broadhead was sticking into the ground after passing through a deer. No broadhead is going to compete against a rock. I have never lost a deer while using a Magnus head, when I put that arrow into an area of the deer that can result in death. I have lost a couple when I stupidly yanked a shot and hit their front leg (not the shoulder ... the leg). But never when I hit an area that will result in a kill. Now patience comes into play on a gut or liver shot deer, but still, the results are the same. I have driven an arrow the entire length of a deer (entering a rear ham) and ended with the broadhead in the heart. That is the beauty of the Magnus cut on contact heads ... they keep cutting and keep driving through the deer.

Like I said, I am biased. I know Mike well. He is a friend. When he was developing the Black Hornet he bounced many ideas off of myself and sent me prototype after prototype to test. I have taken more shots with a Black Hornet than I would dare try to count. Is the head perfect? No. We continue to make tweaks (most very subtle). We continue to kick around ideas. But I will tell you that in all of my shooting, I've never broken one ... not a single one ... and I have been pretty hard on them. I will tell you that I personally shot the first whitetail buck ever with one. I hit the buck lower than I would have liked. I let him lay out of habit. When I tracked him, the old adage ... "Ray Charles could have followed the blood trail" ... said it all. Blood everywhere and a buck lying dead 70 yards away on a less than ideal shot placement by me. Again, a broadhead performing at it's best when I did not perform at my best. That is what I look for in a broadhead.

I won't ever bash the Tricks. They are a fine head and have a strong following. Old Hoot Owl (RIP) did a great job creating this broadhead. But Gary isn't around anymore to give you his personal service. His company is now owned by The Outdoor Group. So for my money, I'd rely on a company and a man from right here in the USA and is on AT most every day. Magnus and Mike's customer service is second to no one in the business. The attention to detail and QC, I dare you to try to find any better. Made in the USA and a no questions asked warranty.

 

wow very odd I have shot around 35 animals with 100 grain serrated black hornets. most in Africa this summer including Sable, kudu, Buffalo, wart hogs, gemsbok, wildabeast, impala. Never once have I seen this my son misfired and shot his into a telephone pole and we dug it out and only bleeders were bent and that is cool w me still spun like a top. What did you shoot to get this to happen? I blew through both shoulders of a 600 lb Sable and it was still razor sharp and spun like a top. Plus Mike and his crew put the heads together and you take them out of the package and slay!!!! no assembly required Aluminum ferrules have been around for ages and time proven and tested do they bend before steel? of course they do but I'm not hunting bricks or rocks. Im destroying flesh with them and that serration is freaking nasty blood trails Are slick tricks made in america? Do they have the warranty and customer service Magnus does? For me its Magnus , although its all about having confidence in your set up although there is no comparison in my mind Good luck and Happy hunting Amigo I will post some pics at bottom of this thread as well