I have never used them....but I know they make a head with wire loops on it that I thought was supposed to be a head for bird hunting.

Small Game Hunting With Bow and Arrow

Small game hunting is more popular than large game hunting. There are many options for hunting small game, including blunts, bird points, and broadheads.

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Used to use judo's but have hit grouse with them & have them fly away so now just use the Rocky Mountain 4 blade & they don't fly away any more.

 

Oh.. you’ve come to the right place….. shoot squirrels, birds, rabbits etc with my low cost 104gr wing nut death head. Easy to make and a 100 can be made for a few dollars..

 

Love it! Gonna try this!

 

Another option is to make a small game broadhead with light gauge sheet metal …

 

My favorite for grouse is a Saunders Bludgeon tip. Screws right into your insert, 100 or 125 grain.
Saunders Bludgeon Screw-In Blunt (3riversarchery.com)
I always carry a grouse arrow when elk hunting. I have tried Saunders bludgeon, adder points behind a field point, and judo tips.
I would rate them in that order.
The bludgeon still goes clear through them with an elk setup but the arrow is slowed way down and doesn't keep going very far. Won't knife under vegetation and disappear either. Wallops the holy heck out of grouse, they do not run anywhere after being smacked by one. They fly just like a field tip to 20 yards, they will hit a bit low at 30 yards. Tune bow so field points fly the same as fixed and I can just hold my 20 pin right on the bird.

 

Thanks for all the ideas and input @slowen, that sheetmetal head looks devastating on a small critter!!

I was considering the bludgeon tips also, but hadn't really heard any feedback on them as far as getting lost in vegetation as you noted.

My elk and deer seasons are over now, but I still have a little longer here for small game and birds. I might just end up with a mixed bag quiver for a little bit and see what works best.

 

Thanks for all the ideas and input @slowen, that sheetmetal head looks devastating on a small critter!!

I was considering the bludgeon tips also, but hadn't really heard any feedback on them as far as getting lost in vegetation as you noted.

My elk and deer seasons are over now, but I still have a little longer here for small game and birds. I might just end up with a mixed bag quiver for a little bit and see what works best.

you might want to Oder some of these Slobberknockers at kthump.com… these fly great and knock the 5hit out of small game…

 

cause of death....Blunt force trauma!

 

Of the heads I have used, I always come back to bludgeons for all purpose, and genuine judo points for sage rats. The g5 heads are nasty and are probably the most lethal I have shot, but they are too expensive for how well they hold up for my uses.

the slocker version you put behind your field points work well too, but bend pretty easy and eventually start breaking wings off.

the wing nut is a good idea I’ll have to try.

I hate knock off judos, they are worthless, the real ones are cheaper in the long run

 

Of the heads I have used, I always come back to bludgeons for all purpose, and genuine judo points for sage rats. The g5 heads are nasty and are probably the most lethal I have shot, but they are too expensive for how well they hold up for my uses.

the slocker version you put behind your field points work well too, but bend pretty easy and eventually start breaking wings off.

the wing nut is a good idea I’ll have to try.

I hate knock off judos, they are worthless, the real ones are cheaper in the long run

everything you said is spot on Accurate!.. knock off judos are one and done! The slobberknockers hold up in soft soil soft backstop material. I have been shooting my wingnuts for at least 10, probably 15 years with great results. Cheap 8/32 threaded screw, add nut and wing…104 grns depending on metal..

 

I've killed quite a few grouse back in the day with a straight up field tip and bent to chit aluminum arrows.

 

I used cheap chines 3 blade BHs ($10 dz back then, $12 now) & a 4 fletch flu flu.. Worked good on Pheasants & a couple Grouse.

 

Thanks everyone! Looks like I'll have a bunch of small game heads in the stocking this Christmas. I might also need to make a trip down to Ace for some hardware just in case.

@roosiebull l I think that the Judo point I was using were the Allen ones from Walmart, picked up on a whim (can't remember). Are the real ones that much better?

 

Thanks everyone! Looks like I'll have a bunch of small game heads in the stocking this Christmas. I might also need to make a trip down to Ace for some hardware just in case.

@roosiebull l I think that the Judo point I was using were the Allen ones from Walmart, picked up on a whim (can't remember). Are the real ones that much better?

The real ones hold up way better, it’s eye opening shooting sage rats around the edges of pivots, literally hundreds of hard impacts a day, a lot of glancing off of sage, and hard desert ground, you can get a lot of shooting with a judo, and barely any shooting with the knock-offs I have used.

I finally concluded there are real judos, and a bunch of knock-offs that all seem to be made at the same suck factory.
Even the Saunders will eventually collapse and start getting pushed down over the insert (I keep sending it 😉)

those slobberknockers slowen posted above look like a great option, I’m certainly going to get some, probably a little more arrow friendly too… one thing I hate about judo points is if you center something hard, the nock is usually gone, and it makes me cringe

 

I'm appaled. I'm blocking and reporting every one of you who shoot that poor bird on the ground while picking gravel for the gizzard. Unethical. Breaks my fragile heart. Gotta run, there's a doe at the feeder. 😉

 

I’m plotting on some geese at my sis in law’s property, gonna go honker sluicing with my bow…

birds look harmless and all, but given the chance, they would cut you up into little pieces and make cute little human flesh hats for the whole flock… we can’t just sit around waiting for that to happen… down puffy jackets got popular, birds are pissed, we need to maintain that human fear

 

I have lost a lot of grouse with Judo type heads. Shots that seemed solid, but then they fly and they get away... This year I switched to china -dermic Rage knock offs that they sell on ebay. They worked great. Might seem like overkill, but it puts them down and cost less than some Judo points.

 

I like judo points but i always head shoot them they dont move after that. G5 makes a good small game head too.

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I’ve always used HTM blunts

 

I like the saunders 145 grain bludgeons. Large diameter head (quarter sized) and good arrow protection from hard impacts.

 

It seems that the judos just sail right through and oftentimes the bird will fly a ways off before dying or diving into brush or a log pile and to be honest, they are nearly impossible to see once they are on the ground/under brush like that.

No that's not what happens. Those springs are good for two things. One they keep the arrow from snaking under the grass & weeds and two they increase the hole in a soft tissue animal like a bird. I have shot birds with them and the leave a quarter size hole through the bird. Plus the transfer the energy of the arrow to the animal to shock it.

I have never shot a grouse with them (we don't have them to shoot) but have shot many smaller birds and a duck with one and they will knock them out of they sky. On bigger thicker sinned animals like ground hogs or even prairie dogs they don't instantly kill them but birds like crows, ducks and doves etc they do. Of course you bow's energy and arrow weight all come into play as well.

Even killed rabbits and a fox with them BUT IMHO a fox and rabbit are pretty thin skinned.

 

I'm not saying that they don't do a good job killing the bird or leaving a decent hole, just in my very limited experience I would expect them to "catch" more on the animal if that makes sense. After hearing someone mentioned the real judos performing better, I wonder if the spring that makes up the hooks is lighter gauge on the ones I have causing them to bend more as opposed to staying open like a claw. It seems that after a shot or two going through something or hitting brush the springs are pretty well loose.