There is no magic number of inches required to be a non typical. But every non typical is scored as a typical before the non typical inches are added on. A non typical score is not just everything added together. Most have no idea the proper way to score a rack they just add everything up and say the buck scores X number of inches. That is not the way a buck is scored but it is the way guys like to score cause the numbers are a bigger. Some guys even add the length of the bucks weenie on and count that into the score.:wink:

 

I saw the thread were people have definitively stated that 15" to be scored as a non-typical. Clearly they don't understand the most widely accepted scoring system(s) that are in place. Here's why the 15" is garbage... lets say you have a deer with a NET TYPICAL FRAME that scores 182" and he grew 14" of Non-Typical antler... those guys would say this deer HAS to be scored as a Typical (15" rule and all)... that gives this deer a NET TYPICAL SCORE of 168" (just misses the all-time B&C book) where if you scored the deer as a Non-Typical is would have a Net Non-Typical score of 196" and makes the all-time book...



Pretty good summary there... many (perhaps most) don't understand the way the scoring system works....

 

Yeah I agree with that. Still i don't understand where in the world people would come up with something like that. I have seen several on here that think that 15" rule exist

 

look at P&Y Minimum scores list....it shows the amount of non typical inches to be measured as a non typical

http://www.pope-young.org/minimum-scores_charts.asp

 

There is no magic number of inches required to be a non typical.

If you want it OFFICIALLY scored as a P & Y non-typical, the antlers need to have 15" of abnormals.

 

X3!

I fell into the zone with my buck this year where he had to many abnormal points to make the book as a typical with deductions, and didn't have enough length in abnormal points to make the book as a non-typical.

 

Yeah I see the little (15) in parenthesis but I feel like if that was the rule there would be a clear explanation stating "that a deer has to have a least 15 abnormal points to be scored as a non typical" maybe it does say that somewhere but I just don't see it.

 

It's in a official P&Y measurers manual

 

sorry for the double that's also wrong on post placement guys, the forum is messed up

 

The site went nuts for awhile there... telling me I couldn't post for like 8000 seconds! Seems to be working now though.

The club's rules are pretty vague. I'm guessing with so many rule changes over the years, (15", 1", 12.5", back to 15") it's probably easiest to display them as you posted above than to change lengthly explanations every time a ruling changes for a particular animal. Pretty silly that it's been changed that many times IMO. Hence, so many differences of opinion in this thread.

 

Yeah it is crazy. Very strange. They do a good job in writing everything else out for you and explaining exactly how to score one but that is a dark area. Wish I could talk to those guys and get the record set straight.

 

The info I posted is straight from a certified scorer's mouth. I went through it all when I had the buck in my avatar scored. I'm sure if you contact them on the website, they'll get back to you. Did you shoot a deer that's on the fence?

 

I am getting my buck officially measured for the PA record book as a non-typical (it had 19 scorable points at least 1 inch). It was basically a big 8 with kickers all over the place (25 points total, 19 for score). The head DEC guy in the state said it had to have 15 inches of non-typical points in order to get in the record books(as Pope and Yound and Boone and Crocket state). Supposedly it has 18.5 so I should be Ok and green scored 167. You can imagine as a typical it would only score like 134 because all of those extra points actually become deductions (which would obviously be frustrating to someone who does not have 15 inches). So it basically a 150 buck where you add for non-typical if over 15 inches or subtract for typical.

 

Cool. I had heard so many different things that I was confused. I appreciate it. Boone and Crockett needs to clearly publish that as a rule. It's kind of shady if you ask me. I have read the rules (B&C and P&Y) up one side and down the other and there is no such statement one their scoring sheets.

 

This thread was clearly in response to my post, just an FYI, I try to verify everything before I write an article. Also, I remember very vividly when I had my droptine buck scored, the Official Pope and Young scorer told me that my deer could not be scored as a Non-typical, because he did not have 15'' worth of non-typical abnormal points. I only know that this rule exist in Pope and Young, not sure about B and C.

 

If a non typical deer needs 15" of non typical inches it is a change in the rules in the last couple years. It use to be 150" minumum with ten percent non typical inches. Then it was changed to 155" minumum with at least 1" of non typical inches. The last i knew this was the rule for officail P&Y scores. Glenn Hisey never liked this 1" rule so it may have been changed in recent years. A lot of guys would enter a deer as non typical just to have a bigger number vs taking the deductions. Lets say a buck had 5" of non typical points and a net typical score of 157". Guys would then enter the buck as a non typical at 162" instead of a typical score of 152". If this has changed it has been done in very recent years.

 

I want to clarify what I wrote earlier... Pope and Young did change their rules and my understanding is they want a deer entered with a score that puts it furthest away(higher) than the minimum score... so 125 for Typ. and 155 for Non-Typ... that's a 30 inch difference in minimum score and that's where the 15" comes from; half the 'spread'... so if you shoot a deer that Grosses 156, has 4 inches of side-to-side deductions and 11 inches of non-typical points they want it entered as a 14 1inch typical (which is 16 inches over minimum) and not as a 163 inch Non-Typical (which is only 9 inches above minimum)...

For Boone and Crockett the spread is 25 inches and thus, if they have a similar rule, the minimum would be 12.5".

Like many things that P&Y does, I'm sure this is controversial.... from my perspective, I think it's highly subjective to dictate the minimum amount of non-typical growth... they've obviously had their own internal disagreements about it since the rule has changed so much in the last decade or so. I'm not going to get too worked up about it. The last 2 bucks I shot have been clean, symmetrical 10 points that would gross over 150" but I have no intentions of ever having them officially scored.

 

I want to clarify what I wrote earlier... Pope and Young did change their rules and my understanding is they want a deer entered with a score that puts it furthest away(higher) than the minimum score... so 125 for Typ. and 155 for Non-Typ... that's a 30 inch difference in minimum score and that's where the 15" comes from; half the 'spread'... so if you shoot a deer that Grosses 156, has 4 inches of side-to-side deductions and 11 inches of non-typical points they want it entered as a 14 1inch typical (which is 16 inches over minimum) and not as a 163 inch Non-Typical (which is only 9 inches above minimum)...

For Boone and Crockett the spread is 25 inches and thus, if they have a similar rule, the minimum would be 12.5".

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I dont agree with this either.

Here it is, the only PROOF I can offer anyone that thinks the 15" rule does not exist. Yes, this could have been changed! But what I know is when I had my deer scored, he told he it could not be scored as a NT because it did not have 15" of abnormals. Also, this picture is off the P and Y web page today! It's current information as far as im concerned. I think that P&Y scorers are like a speak nothing, tell no one organization. They keep things hush hush so you have to have it scored by them. Thats just my opinion.

Right above my finger it says, minimum scores 155 (15). That 155 means net score and 15 means abnormal minimum inches

 

Yeah this stuff is crazy. Some say yeah, some say no. That's why I don't like scoring them anyway.

There has got to be an official scorer on this site somewhere that can set the record straight. It would be very beneficial because a lot of people are either confused about it or are wrong in their beliefs.

 

There has got to be an official scorer on this site somewhere that can set the record straight. It would be very beneficial because a lot of people are either confused about it or are wrong in their beliefs.

You've had two people answer your question directly with information given to them by official scorers. How are you still confused? Call the club directly or seek out a scorer in your area and have the info verified!

 

Not still confused, just wondering if that is actually true, how are these other guys coming up saying that it's not true. And Also, nowhere in there does it have it in writing. That seems off to me that there is such biased opinion. I mean it either is or it isn't but these guys are saying other wise. I mean I personally believe it and have thought that my whole life but it's a little shady to me.

The truth is I got into a argument about this with another guy and I am tryin to find some cold hard evidence I can present him with, and to be honest with you, the number 15 in parethesis and just because some dude I don't know off a forum said that somebody said that was the rule isn't cold hard evidence.

 

You have Medicsnoke's scorer, the guy who scored my deer, and a scoresheet directly off teh P&Y's website stating the same thing. Pretty cut & dry if you ask me. Like I've said twice now, make the call and fill us all in!

I just sent an email for ya - I'll update when I hear back!:wink:

 

I sent Pope & Young an email last year asking this exact question.
I received a quick reply stating you need 15" of non-typ antler to be scored non-typ.

 

I think he wants cold evidence though - we're just some guys on a forum.:darkbeer:

 

Exactly!!

haha naw that's cool. I appreciate it though man. I am getting more and more convinced.