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The Elite Omnia does as well
It’s an answer to reducing vibration a little and balance as the Hoyts and Omnias as both are somewhat top heavy. Mathews did the same thing with the lower dampener, it’s just more integrated.
What changes would you like to see in Hoyt's 2024 hunting bows?
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Literally everyone besides Bowtech is using spacers or shims. Even Elite with their SET technology.
Agreed. The bow companies could just change models every couple of years as not much seems to change yearly.
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I’d like a better limb leg design to compete with the Mathews engage legs. Some weight savings would be nice in their aluminum models, not that the RX-7 lineup is considered lightweight as far as carbon models go. Maybe increased brace height in the next update to the VTM series. And some drilling/tapping to accommodate a COR Epsilon mount. I would also say swapping the plastic spacers for something easier to work with (think Mathew’s top hats) would be a good change but if some of the other things are improved upon then I could turn the other cheek at reusing the current spacer system.
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The highline in shorter draw and the longer Ata models with shorter draw would be nice. More like a cross over bow.
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Yeah but the deadlock system is the best and it’s not even close in my opinion. I wish Mathews and Hoyt had something similar.
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A 32” ATA bow that is 340+ IBO and 6”+ BH. Not all the 30” DL guys want a long 34” ATA and slow bow!
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Lighten them up.
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Lot of complaining about tuning but, having tuned multiple Mathews (tophats) and now a VTM, there is virtually no difference in the tuning system. The tophats are easier to get in and out, thats it. They fundamental basis of how to tune Hoyt/Mathews is exactly the same (shimming cams with varying width spacers). Are tophats easier to grab with your little cheeto lickin fingers? Sure. But the Hoyt spacers are a far cry from being a bad solution compared to tophats. Now if we are talking about other tuning options such as Bowtech's Deadlock, that's a different story.
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Put yokes back in them, shims will not give the same amount of adjustment. Everyone is built different and has a different grip and body alignment. With a yoke you can fine tune the bow to fit a person, with a shim you can only get close and then have to start messing up center shot. Even guys who have been tuning bows for guys for years have videos about how the new Hoyt’s you will want more inside grip pressure to get a perfect bullet hole. Same BS came out with Levi years ago with Elite and Prime was the same way. Eventually you have to tune how you hold the bow instead of tuning the bow for each person. Obviously some people already grip the bow naturally this way so the slap in a shin and boom perfect arrow flight. The next guy may never get perfect flight with the shim system without having to relearn to shot that particular bow and then if they switch bows again relearn how to grip and shoot it.
All bows should have a good micro adjust system like a yoke, the new elite system or bowtech. IMO Hoyt took a huge step backward when they ditched the Yokes and until they change to a better system I will it buy another. This is coming from a guy who has been pretty faithful to Hoyt since 2009 owning multiple Carbon bows and several aluminum. I moved from Hoyt for two years to a bow that essentially tunes like the new Hoyt’s and moved back and planned to stay. Unless they come up with a fine tuning method that works well I will take my business elsewhere.
I see no disadvantage to cam & 1/2, I just ordered strings for my RX4 and with factory strings my tune has not changed in 3 years of hard use and thousands of shots. My draw weight, BH, peep rotation and draw length were all identical to what they were after writing them down when I first tuned the bow. They are trying to fix a problem that doesn’t exist. I think they dropped the main reason so many people stuck with them for years, now they are pretty much the same as 80% of other manufactures and behind bowtech and elite.
All bows should have a good micro adjust system like a yoke, the new elite system or bowtech. IMO Hoyt took a huge step backward when they ditched the Yokes and until they change to a better system I will it buy another. This is coming from a guy who has been pretty faithful to Hoyt since 2009 owning multiple Carbon bows and several aluminum. I moved from Hoyt for two years to a bow that essentially tunes like the new Hoyt’s and moved back and planned to stay. Unless they come up with a fine tuning method that works well I will take my business elsewhere.
I see no disadvantage to cam & 1/2, I just ordered strings for my RX4 and with factory strings my tune has not changed in 3 years of hard use and thousands of shots. My draw weight, BH, peep rotation and draw length were all identical to what they were after writing them down when I first tuned the bow. They are trying to fix a problem that doesn’t exist. I think they dropped the main reason so many people stuck with them for years, now they are pretty much the same as 80% of other manufactures and behind bowtech and elite.
Lighten them up , come up with a better way to tune besides shims , my bowtech s are the easiest to tune bow ever and they stay in tune ! That deadlock is so nice ! get rid of the tech riser ! Better strings , for the price u pay strings should b better that goes for all the mfg. ! The prices are getting really crazy on all archery products ! Do something with the mods the 29 slot is hot everything else is slower !
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i will agree with lightening up the line for sure. they could definitely stand to lose a pound each. i would also agree with them figureing out a way to optimize each draw length, so you dont get the huge dropoff in speeds when not at the top of the mod. i see no issue with the shim tuning system. once and done.. not hard to do. as far as yokes, etc.... go buy a nitrum and save a ton of money... ive had them and loved them, at that time. i have since moved on.
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Draw specific cams-more efficient/faster. Especially at shorter draw lengths.
Lower let off options-similar to Spiral cams.
An updated tuning system!!!!!! GET RID OF SHIMS!!!!
The easiest, most tunable, accurate cam system I ever shot was the Fury X shoot through cams. I’d kill to have a modern version of this.
Lower let off options-similar to Spiral cams.
An updated tuning system!!!!!! GET RID OF SHIMS!!!!
The easiest, most tunable, accurate cam system I ever shot was the Fury X shoot through cams. I’d kill to have a modern version of this.
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