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Just look at my feedback rating I am no fanboy.:wink: I have changed more bows this year than most do in five years. I am not an expert but I have formed some ideas as to which bow comapny hit the mark and which one missed and the one that never made it to the range. This thread is not a bash this or that just to get an idea of what others liked and disliked.

bow company(s) that hit the mark for me:
Quest,Elite,BT,PSE,Martin/Rytera

bowscompany(s) that missed:
Hoyt,Mathews,bear

Bow company(s) that never made it to the range:
Pearson,Parker
 

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i thought (HOYT) did i great job this year,i bought the element and matrix . i really dont think any of them (missed the mark) !!! just some sell better than others .. the (rytera) from martin is a great bows and holds well on target. i also love their grips:thumbs_up. this would be my 2nd bow in a heartbeat..
 

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One that missed............Bowtech due to all the short bows and for dropping their finish options. And for going away from some of the best bows ever made.

Ones that hit............Quest, Elite.

Ones that never made it to the range.............Hoyt, PSE.
 

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Ones that hit - Darton DS3800 & DS3800SD, and Maitland Zeus
Ones that missed - Bow Tech for copying Maitland, just my opinion
Ones that never made it to the range - Just my opinion, but man those are some ugly bows!
 

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Ones that hit - Bowtech. The Invasion and D350 are awesome. ( I know the D350 was last year)

PSE did well with the EVO

Mathews I think missed badly. Too many Z7 options IMO

Bear missed with another Attack copy in the carnage

Elite didnt do to bad

Hoyt was OK with the Element but thats it.
 

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Without a doubt Darton made the biggest hit with the DS3800. It's that good. Athens continues to come on.

Mathews missed with z this z that.

Never met a bow I wouldn't at least try.
 

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Martin difinately MISSED BIG with the TRG/SOS system. It has been nothing but trouble for them with eaten bowstrings and SOS rubber failures. I love my Onza but had to make all the repairs to eliminate the (TerribleRottenGear/helpwearedrowningSOS) One of my main reasons for buying a Martin bow was their CS. But a constant flow of CS sounds more like %$#@)(*&. If I would not have been able to do the work myself and rely on the nearest pro shop it would have cost me $300 to make this right.
 

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Ones that missed - Bow Tech for copying Maitland, just my opinion
Can you explain your opinion? I'm genuinely interested in it.

For me:

Hits: Bowtech with the Specialist. PSE has an impressive lineup. G5 definitely caught my eye....I'll continue to watch them.

Misses: Hoyt's hunting line up although I know it sells well and is likely very profitable for them. Mathews.

Never made it to the range: All the other 2 track binary cookie cutter bows.......Pearson, Maitland, Athens, Elite, K&K, Strothers, New Breed, Martin, etc, etc......all nearly identical technology competing for the same market space. That said, I would rank Elite as the best of this group due fit/finish/CS but they are still in the group. There is hardly a drop of unique innovation in the bunch.

The decision makers in each of those last companies need to read a business book called "Blue Ocean Strategy". They definitely swim in a red ocean every day.
 

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tmorelli; What I want is a bow that will stand the test of time. Everybow made today is so much technoimprovementfixit that the bow company that can make a repeatable usable bow will ultimately win my vote. Theirs too much hype and not enough guts in the market today. Instead of sell sell sell there needs to be more userfriendly bows.
 

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K&K is the only one that truly missed if you ask me....I will leave my thoughts at that
 

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Ones that hit - Darton DS3800 & DS3800SD, and Maitland Zeus
Ones that missed - Bow Tech for copying Maitland, just my opinion
Ones that never made it to the range - Just my opinion, but man those are some ugly bows!
Copying Maitland now that is FUNNY.You really believe Bowtech didn't know what the invasion would look like 2 years ago?
 

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Hit their Mark- Elite and Bowtech
Missed - K&K, PSE (just not a fan of thier wall is all other than that it was ok)
 

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tmorelli; What I want is a bow that will stand the test of time. Everybow made today is so much technoimprovementfixit that the bow company that can make a repeatable usable bow will ultimately win my vote. Theirs too much hype and not enough guts in the market today. Instead of sell sell sell there needs to be more userfriendly bows.
I don't disagree Bob but I think there has to be some differentiation.....and that is most commonly done through technology push. The alter ego of that might be Elite who seems to have conciously chosen to do it through CS/warranty.
 

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I truly enjoyed last years ATA show and the new bows from several manufactuers.

Todays archers got such a choice of so many good bows.

PSE diffiantly had a good line up
Hoyt Alpha Elite was awesome new bow.

Bowtech affordable Diamond line bows are a good thing for guys on a budget.

New Breed and Athens, Elite both make fine bows.

Winchester Bows is the one that puzzling me. Had a large boothe and now I hardly here nothing about them

Selection today is awesome. Something for everyone.

Tough economy and only the strong will survive.
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K&K is the only one that truly missed if you ask me....I will leave my thoughts at that
I don't know how you can say that .... unless your a lefty.

They are great shooters.

I think Bowtech missed the boat a little...to much hype. Plastic limb pockets do not belong on a bow. And you should not need a stabilizer to keep the top cam from smacking you in the forehead.

Elite....more of the same but it is hard to change a really good bow....next year they need to up there bow line.

Mathews.....all there bows are pretty much the same....there primary engineering tool is Microsoft paint...MISS
 

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Mathews.....all there bows are pretty much the same....there primary engineering tool is Microsoft paint...MISS
I would say the same about PSE :rolleyes:
 

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Some interesting ideas,I agree with some and its interesting to read what my fellow AT'ers think.


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I would say the same about PSE :rolleyes:
MISS....PSE's shoot circles around Mathews Z line-up. All you have to do is shoot them side-by-side and watch the disappointment on the faces of the Mathews guys when the numbers come up. Not everyone wants a milk-crate looking bow, some actually want performance to back up the advertising hype.
 

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ALPINE!! Too often looked over. For the price...unbeatable.

Most bow companies are good, all fit people differently due to different aspects. I dont have a ton of experience, but i overlooked advertising when picking out a bow, and I love my decision to go with the Alpine F1 Fireball.
 
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