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#1 ·
Next deer season I have decided to buy either the Garmin Xero or Burris oracle. I thought other manufactureres were going to throw their version in but havent seen it. Feradyne came out with a multipin version but they didn't even make them in left handed.
My question is how many hunters have used either one this season and what are your opinions on its effectiveness? I'm going to be hunting Kentucky, Illinois and maybe ohio.
I have a darton 3800 with a Vendetta II mounted with sugru. I like it but would like one that automatically chooses right pin. Shooting 615 grain arrows and pin gaps too big. Shot 2 does with it and love that setup.
 
#3 ·
I bought the Garmin Xero A1i last summer. I have shot 4 deer with it, hunted in all conditions, and it performed great. Batteries still show full. Setting it up was time consuming for me, but getting it perfect is worth it. It has helped me shoot better, because it lets me know if I am torquing the bow. I changed grips because of this sight. The sight is well built. It would be better with a micro-adjustable system on it for set up. It is the best low light sight I have ever seen. Pin brightness can be auto based on ambient light, or manual. The software keeps records of shots, vibration, canting, arrow set ups, and many other stats. The A1i also has red or green pins. No gap shooting, no guessing. Amazing sight that is fun to shoot. I can't imagine ever going back.
 
#5 ·
Just spent a good bit of time with the Oracle and with one of the developers. It is really simple to set up. Has a low battery indicator and uses 123 batteries that will last 1500 shots or so. The weight is the one draw back i have. It does not have a glass window that can become fogged,scratched or have water drops or snow on it. You set the top pin at 20 yards and it becomes the range pin as well. You then sight it in at 40 yards and 60 yards and from there the internal system "learnes" the arc of your set up. At that point the sight is ready to use. Really a neat sight that is fast to use and eliminates the need for a rangefinder and a movable pin. Still a few states that will not allow their use. Lifetime or forever warranty as well. Also is angle compensated. Not sure about the Zero.
 
#9 ·
Warranty is one year on the Garmin, and forever on the Burris (so if you sell it it's still warrantied). I've looked on Garmin's site and I can't find any warranty info. Currently, eight states outlaw the A1 or A1i, according to Garmin's research: Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Florida, and Hawaii. For the remaining states you'll need to research your local laws.
 
#10 ·
Colorado doesn't even allow sight lights so........
 
#13 ·
If you want the ultimate in precision get the Garmin. If you want close enough get the Burris.

The Burris has a bunch of fixed dots, this could cause issues with high and low missed at long range if there is no dot in the exact location for that yardage. The Garmin puts the dot exactly where it needs to be. That's enough for me to choose the Garmin.
 
#21 ·
I have also hunted with the Garmin Xero A1i and have had good fortune to harvest 5 deer, 4 hogs, and 1 coyote with it. Other than a doe that completely dove my arrow, I haven't misplaced a shot with the sight yet, but I have absolutely taken shots that I would have let down without having the ability to adjust range at full draw. I practice archery regularly and at long distances, and the Xero has absolutely enhanced my ability to shoot accurately at all distances (due to clear sight picture) and at distances I would have otherwise estimated drop (53yds, for instance) previously. I shoot the pin it offers me each time and the results are very impressive.

So regarding the Xero, I think the major negative discussion points are typically focused around Burris' marketing efforts.
- The glass has NEVER fogged on me, and sheds water easily. I've taken one shot during a torrential downpour, and I've hunted well below freezing. I can't think of a time the glass has been an issue.
- The idea of a fixed 20yd pin is interesting, it's like you're banking on a sight failure. I've never had the Xero die on me, so have no need for this.
- Xero does not have micro-adjust. This matters to me for the initial setup (5-10 mins). Then I could care less about it.
- Garmin warranty is 1yr. Truth, this bothers some people. I've used a variety of Garmin products dating back to my time in Iraq with a Rino 120 15yrs ago. I've not yet encountered a Garmin product that failed me.

Benefits to the Xero, for me.
- Lighter weight (14.7oz vs 17oz doesn't tell the whole story) The front end of the garmin is very light weight, the front end of the Oracle is very heavy.
- Clear sight picture. The single dot on the clear glass is exactly like I want to see in my sight picture, completely unobstructed. The vertical bar in the Oracle obstructs view and makes it challenging to aim up off of a front leg. JMO, I don't like up-pins.
- Red and Green pins
- Bubble level inside of sight ring (or electronic LEDs for if its too dim in the ground blind)
- Visual torque indication - the alignment reticle clearly showed me I was torquing my bow with a glove on my hand when I shot my buck. I'm confident my fixed-blade arrow flight would have suffered had I not seen this and adjusted while at full draw.
- Xero "1 year" with two AAA batteries, Oracle 1,000 ranges with CR123. Last I checked, I had over 50% remaining after a year of use.
- No visible laser. Some states are clear that if a sight can be configured to use a visible laser, the sight is not legal. I hunt many different states and the mountable laser on Oracle creates some issues with how I interpret the regulations.
- Shot metrics tell me my bubble level angle and bow vibration on the shot. I've used these to improve consistency in practice and the vibration helps compare between setup changes. Not critical, but useful.
- GPS waypoints projected to the target. This is a really neat feature if you have another Garmin product to interface with. Xero automatically saves GPS waypoints each time a shot is taken.

From a feature standpoint, the two products vary quite a bit. If your interest in a rangefinding sight is simply to take a range and offer a pin, I guess both would work. I suggest that Xero has a much better product, and Oracle has a following for its warranty. I think my truck's warranty expired ~140k miles ago, so I'm not one to choose warranty over function/feature.
 
#27 ·
Thanks!!!



Thanks for the response and feedback! This is the response I was hoping for. I shoot a 615 grain arrow with a single bevel. I can shoot with this sight on several different bows. I have a Carbon element with Z5 cams that I will shoot at about 50 to 55#. Slow but with this sight I can feel like I range better. I was worried about the glass but sounds like you have had experiences in all kinds of weather with no issues. Thanks again!
 
#23 ·
Guys that have spent the money on a Xero will tell you it is the best. Hard to get much report from anyone that has used the Oracle yet. But from my experience after looking at both and studying both the Burris would be my choice. Yes the Xero has more "options" that i don't want or need so that is part of it. And the glass does give me a little reason to ponder what if. But i love the 20 yard fixed pin for stand hunting here in the midwest and an open clear sight window. For way over half my shots it will be all that i need. And the warranty is for certain a better deal. Who knows when an electronic devise will decide to act up.
 
#25 ·
I have the Garmin Xero A1i. After a year of use I am still very happy with it. Took it on an Elk hunt this past season and lots of deer hunting days. Took a Doe and a Buck this year with it and never had an issue with the sight. Love having the ability to save different arrow profiles as I can save calibrated ranges for multiple arrows, or for use on different bows.

The only real improvement I would want is a micro adjust dovetail type of mount. I never had any issue just think that it would make initial setup a bit faster, and easier to dial into perfection.
 
#28 ·
Does anyone have experience with the Xero in frigid conditions?

The reason I ask is that late season hunts where I live (NH) can be single digits. My rangefinder batt. has frozen on me before hunting in these temps. Just curious is there an advertised operational temp range on these electronic sights?


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