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  • The added bow weight

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  • The parallel limbs are more forgiving

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  • The rubber grip vs off the riser

    Votes: 1 5.6%
  • Cables hitting your arm

    Votes: 2 11.1%
  • The rest being free to float without side torque

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  • Cam timing

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  • Sight radius

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  • Holding weight

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  • Practice dividends are rolling in

    Votes: 4 22.2%
  • Martin slipped a homing device in for good publicity

    Votes: 7 38.9%
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I do want answers/guesses.
Pick one or more of what you think or reply if you think of something else.
If I get the carbons for the Nitrous I want it shooting as good as the Bengal (or better since it won't have the overdraw). Short of making the Nitrous a parallel limb, everything can be adjusted even if I really don't want to (like add weight or go back to the rubber grip).
Since I don't know where to start I'll go with the highest percentage and work my way down.

Bengal, 32"AtA, 6 3/4" brace. 70-ish pounds.
Phantom II Nitrous-X, 36 3/4"AtA, 7 1/4" brace. 66-ish pounds.
Exact same arrows, exact same overdraw. Grip angle looks and feels the same.
The Nitrous is no slouch on the targets but it seems I can't go out and shoot a group to set a pin on the Bengal without breaking at least one nock.

Below explains the above choices if you don't want to read all that

It could be the weight. The Bengal finishes off 1 1/2lbs heavier. But that's actually hurting my bow arm getting used to it.

I have wood grips and shooting off the riser with the Phantom II vs the rubber grip on the Bengal.

I could blame it on the X cables, but that would only count when they hit my arm which isn't often now.

The rest is worn so it has side to side play. Maybe the the X not having side torque allowed the rest to float where the cable guard could be pushing it to one side and making it more consistent than it was when allowed to float. I guess I'll find that out when/if my Gold Tips show up this week and shoot the Nitrous with a new rest.

The dual cams look and feel timed. The only difference between the front and back of the wall is the chrono speeds, slightly faster with the added power stroke. But no consistent up and down differences on target.

The sight radius is longer on the Bengal, but I sure wasn't this accurate with the bow (Phantom II Dyna Mag) the sight came off.

Holding weight maybe? Is 75% of 4lbs extra on the Bengal stopping enough torque on the string loop to make a difference?

Since the arrows for the Bengal came from the Nitrous I can't shoot the Nitrous to do a side by side. Last time I shot the Nitrous was at 75yds. So it could be that I'm more practiced and the few extra days of "blank bale" through the chrono, setting the 20yd pin, tuning and fine tuning all suddenly hit me and it's me that's better.

Even when I think I've pulled a shot with the Bengal it's right in there, almost like a homing device, it can't miss. By all rights it shouldn't be the more forgiving of the two. And as for feel, if I picked them both up in a store where I couldn't shoot them the Phantom II feels a lot better in my hand.
 

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It is due to you concentrating on the shot because you are happy with the bow. Has nothing to do with the reason listed in your poll.
 

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None of the above:

I choose "new equipment performance enhancement syndrome".:)

Unfortunately, the symptoms are usually temporary.:cry:
 

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You get a new bow . . . you shoot more. You shoot more, you shoot better. :wink:
 

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"new equipment performance enhancement syndrome" has crossed my mind.
I shot better after building the Nitrous X. Even better after getting the Bengal. Maybe if I get a new bow every month I can get rich hitting the tourney trail :)

I hope some of it sinks in to stick around.
 

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It's a nice bow at a nice price, glad you like it, I'll bet it is a big seller.:)
 

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Discussion Starter · #7 · (Edited)
It definitely wasn't the grip. I do better with the wood on this bow.

The extra weight didn't hurt.

It definitely is some practice dividends rolling in, I'm more accurate than I was with all my bows. But that didn't answer the problem with the Nitrous.

Something I didn't think of was the string angle and how it effected the peep.
Closer to the eye makes the hole seem bigger, more room around the pin guard.
Nitrous shoot through lines everything up down the center, a large chunk of the guard is behind the riser. Add to that in the 20yd position part of the top is also hidden behind the riser.
So I was basically trying to line up a small portion of the guard in too large of a peep.

Neither issue is there on the Bengal. Lower AtA, peep is further away. Non-sliding sight. Non-centered cam system (I don't think, at least with the cable guard the pins don't line up down the center for me).

I figured this out when trying to figure out why I would be fine for a few days and then suddenly start hitting left.
I made a peep with a smaller hole last night and it seems to have taken care of the left hits today. Of course it will take a few days to know for sure, this could be the time when I do fine for a few days.
I'm going to try to figure out a way to make a 1" ring inside my ring so I can have a complete circle outside of the sight window.

That's today's theory.
 
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