What do you think? Will Mathews stray from the solocam and go with a dually? I'm afraid that if they don't they may start loosing their foothold in the industry. While solocam bows are great, I think that more and more archers are looking for more options. What is your opinion.....
Will Mathews Stray?
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If they do I think it wont be in the near future. They always advertise themselves as the company that made the solo cam and how much better it is than the dual cam, so I can't see them making a dual cam. If they would make a new cam they probably would try to develop a completley new one.
I wasn't trying to start a Bashing thread, I just think they may end up painting themselves into a corner if they don't expand the line... With the popularity of the hybrid cams rising and all.pintojk said:
Bashing Begin ...................
Guess we'll have to wait for next weekend to find that out !!!
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No - & they have enough of the market that they arn't hurting. Mathews is doing very well & the single cam will continue to sell. If the single cam was dead companies like PSE & Bowtech wouldn't still be making them. It's nice to have choices, some will like singles, while others really like dual cams & then there are the hybrids which are doing very well for hoyt & others. Bowtech's new cam system looks interesting as well but I think it is healthy for such a wide range of choices & styles & in the end Mathews will still be selling single cams.
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A hybrid cam woudl be a cam system like Dartons CPS cam or Hoyt's cam & a half.
generally they will have a split yoke buss cable that terminates in the lower cam like a single cam. Then they have the control cable which will terminate in both cams. The top wheel is generally called a "controll wheel" it will usually have a more rounded lobe where the control cable rides instead of a more harsh looking area where the buss cable (power cable) will ride on the power cam. Both cams will have a slot for the string & one for either the power cable or the control cable to ride in. You may also see a draw stop on the lower power cam of most hybrid systems. The main advanatges in my opinion are the level nock travel you get with most hybrids as well as the use of shorter strings which will stretch less compaired to most single cams which use a really long string that wraps around a single track idler wheel (Please note that some single cams did use a double track idler wheel with a shorter string to help decrease string stretch - Pearson was the first with this tupe of setup & Hoyt used it the year before they introduced the cam & a half). I hope I explained this right!
Here is a Darton add that shows both of the cams of their CPS system. this will give you a visual idea of what I am talking about. You will need Adobe Acrobat Reader to look at the file.
http://www.dartonarchery.com/MaverickAD.pdf
generally they will have a split yoke buss cable that terminates in the lower cam like a single cam. Then they have the control cable which will terminate in both cams. The top wheel is generally called a "controll wheel" it will usually have a more rounded lobe where the control cable rides instead of a more harsh looking area where the buss cable (power cable) will ride on the power cam. Both cams will have a slot for the string & one for either the power cable or the control cable to ride in. You may also see a draw stop on the lower power cam of most hybrid systems. The main advanatges in my opinion are the level nock travel you get with most hybrids as well as the use of shorter strings which will stretch less compaired to most single cams which use a really long string that wraps around a single track idler wheel (Please note that some single cams did use a double track idler wheel with a shorter string to help decrease string stretch - Pearson was the first with this tupe of setup & Hoyt used it the year before they introduced the cam & a half). I hope I explained this right!
Here is a Darton add that shows both of the cams of their CPS system. this will give you a visual idea of what I am talking about. You will need Adobe Acrobat Reader to look at the file.
http://www.dartonarchery.com/MaverickAD.pdf
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No, I don't believe they will. They are doing just fine, better than most companies will ever dream of doing in fact. Single cams is what they do, and they do it well. As long as guys keep laying out money for them why change? If the day ever comes when people no longer buy Mathews bows because they will not own a single cam then they will change, until then it's business as usual from the guys at Mathews.
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It will never happen. I think there is more of a chance that the companies that make the hybrid cams will go back to a single cam. Take hoyt for example, the cam an a half handn't been out terrible long. Just wait till the average shooters break their bows out and start shooting them this hunting season after they set up all year.
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Mathews needs to do that anyways, like the Hoyt/Reflex or Bowtech/Diamond lines.
Pro shop, and mail order...
Maybe they could simply offer a hybrid, dually, improved solocam(or something else they design) and offer them as a custom option or choice upon ordering...
Prices on the Hoyts/Mathews are up there...and I have noticed Hoyts move to ONLY cam .5 options has upset some...maybe the solution is to offer a variety and let the choices be available on the entire lineup.
Hoyt is now offering 4 variations of the cam .5 and have just about everyone covered with them but it would be great if they offered a dual cam(command cams) and maybe a solo cam. And if they build a dually hybrid that would be cool too.
I guess I don't understand how a company discontinues cam options which are already paid for in regards to tooling etc. I would like to see more choices/configs than just 1 type.
Pro shop, and mail order...
Maybe they could simply offer a hybrid, dually, improved solocam(or something else they design) and offer them as a custom option or choice upon ordering...
Prices on the Hoyts/Mathews are up there...and I have noticed Hoyts move to ONLY cam .5 options has upset some...maybe the solution is to offer a variety and let the choices be available on the entire lineup.
Hoyt is now offering 4 variations of the cam .5 and have just about everyone covered with them but it would be great if they offered a dual cam(command cams) and maybe a solo cam. And if they build a dually hybrid that would be cool too.
I guess I don't understand how a company discontinues cam options which are already paid for in regards to tooling etc. I would like to see more choices/configs than just 1 type.
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If they got rid of the stock cables and replaced them with WC or high quality cables...I can assure you they will shoot exactly like last year.archerer said:
The rumours about cam .5 system having creep problems and such are due to the crappy stock harnesses not the cams or design of the system.
Every cam system equipped with quality harness will stay in tune from year to year. Fortunately most Hoyt and Mathews shooters know to ditch the stock cables/strings first thing.
I believe this is where the industry needs to quit cutting corners and simply ship with quality harnesses in the first place. Bowtech used to do this..and stopped. I think AR does this, and some others still...but either these comapnies need to get contracts with WC or develop their own method of pre stretching and string building that works and is cost effective.
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I don't know that new cobra cam looks awfully round and about the same size as their idler wheel, looks like dual wheel bow only strung up differently.
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If for any reason they did, they would have market it under a different name, a subordinate company. e.g. Hoyt and Reflex. Only catch is that they would have to have a reason, in order to keep their solocam credibility. Like Hoyt making Reflex as a more affordable bow. I can't think of any reason they would have though.
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I don't think it would work even if they started another company. Everyone would know Mathews produced the bows and there would be way too much crow to eat. I think you would see Mathews sold before you see them go to anything but a single cam, JMO. I also don't see the single cam dying out. Even two cam bows are still around and probably always will be.
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