I found out my entry level Stark limbs are made in a W&W facility in China - can add to the list.
Wonder how things work legally in Korea before something can be labelled made in Korea. Country to country this sort of legislation if any is in place has rules regarding how to label things depending on how much of the end product incl the packaging is made where.
What I heard of Samick's current state is that most of their stuff is made in China currently except for the highest end.
Eying Samicks website it states búilt in Korea - non native english speaker here but built sounds more like assembled to me than made or manufactured.

I know there was a time when people read Made in Japan on anything they read falls apart inside of a year..
My wife made me chuckle a while ago when she saw a car she liked the looks of very much then saw the Kia branding on it lol..
Instantly had that family guy bit in my head of the kia advertisement being honest "Kia! too bad it's a Kia" XD

Someone I know deals with chinese OEMs and his tales are interesting to listen to. Basically you get what you pay for.
If you want quality they can make the very highest. If you squeeze them they squeeze you right back..

 

W&W risers are all made in China in their own factory (not the OEM factories like a lot of the generic lower priced Chinese produced kit).
All of the top W&W branded limbs are made in Korea, all of the WNS /2nd tier stuff is made in the Chinese factory.

MK's stuff is all made in Korea.

I'm not sure of the Fivics stuff, at one time they had MK making their limbs, but I don't know if that's still the case.

 

It’s good to hear about Win&Win limbs if you are correct, I’m more partial to MK as far as aluminium risers are concerned anyway. Wonder why they separate high end limb productions.

Roy I wonder where in Samick website you were looking at because all their informations on risers and limbs, including catalogue specify “made in Korea”. Of course I do not know what the laws in Korea mandate in terms of “made in Korea” label and theymay be partially constructed elsewhere and only last stage of assembly is in Korea but for what it’s worth that’s what Samick claims.

 

https://www.samickusaarchery.com/
"About Us
SAMICK, a Brand of Champions, built in Korea." A distributor site - so perhaps the phrasing there is less than accurate. Or it being a US site the phrasing they use fits the legalities..


If the quality is good for what you pay for it the where something is made is usually the last thing on my checklist unless I know the company outsources abusing its workers as well so to speak.. Personally I would rather live in Korea than China though..

 

"About Us
SAMICK, a Brand of Champions, built in Korea." A distributor site - so perhaps the phrasing there is less than accurate. Or it being a US site the phrasing they use fits the legalities..


If the quality is good for what you pay for it the where something is made is usually the last thing on my checklist unless I know the company outsources abusing its workers as well so to speak.. Personally I would rather live in Korea than China though..

I was looking at Samick website’s description of their products and catalogue; because I’m newbie, can’t put the links up The country of origin may not be the defining or primary factor but can be a tie breaking factor if everything is similar.

 

Friend of mine from Portugal showed me some shirts made there and sold here. The ones he bought for léss at home had all the patterns stitchings etc line up perfectly. The ones that got exported to this country and for sale here for móre were just a mess in comparison. The salesperson explained they found that they sold better here this way because they looked more handmade lol.

But this is wáy off topic now - sorry ^^ I would if it were so labelled when presented with a Samick product labelled manufactured in Korea vs the same stating manufactured in China probably end up flipping a coin and then ignoring that and going for the Korean made one as well =S

 

I just thought, so you think status of Win&Win producing their top of line limbs only in Korea and the rest including all risers in China (if DarkMuppet is correct) is a factor in quite a few Olympic level archer choosing Win&Win limbs combined with Hoyt riser? I know they probably try out multiple combinations each year but that fact about made in China may influence their choices in terms of shortlist and how they feel about the set-up. About a dozen archers in Rio including Ki Bobae who won ladies’ bronze were of Win&Win limbs + other company for riser combination...

 

As a general rule, considering globalization, all countries are presently qualifying a product as "made in" the country of final assembly, independently from origin of different parts.
For instance, a significant part of Compound Bows "made in USA" by several manufactures,have their risers forged in Italy and then shipped by sea to USA for final milling , anodizind/painting and to become "made in USA" compound bows after assembly.

Design, precision in assembly, QC at different stages define the quality of a product, independently from origin of its parts or from "made in" label. Otherwise, no one should trust any Apple I.phone as a quality item.

 

Hi Vittorio https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl2mFZoRqjw_ELax4Yisf6w Some people do not rate Apple's products as very hi Q ^^

Yes globalisation. The company my father worked for made precision and durable metal products. Factory in the US, later another in Ireland to serve the EU.
The steel came in from US forge, all the work to it and qc was done in house and it went out the door labelled made in USA or made in Ireland.
The rise of cheaper but much inferior products swamping their market eventually killed the company.
Users switched to cheaper because it was cheaper regardless of how much less lasting it was for the most part.
The choice my father's company made was to produce in a less costly fashion.. Cheaper steel, QC etc. This choice meant there was less difference to the end user between the lower end and my fathers' company's end. The choice the customers made became even easier.
The company went under and the chinese manufacturers for the most part raised their quality significantly to a level probably equalling the US an Irish made before and the prices today are probably nearer to what the company my father worked for charged before as well.

 

@vittorio - In the US that’s not how it’s supposed to work, but I guess the claim isn’t policed so anything goes.

https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/complying-made-usa-standard#basic

“all significant parts and processing that go into the product must be of U.S. origin. That is, the product should contain no — or negligible — foreign content.”

“the steel in a product like a pipe or a wrench is a direct and significant input. Whether the steel in a pipe or wrench is imported would be a significant factor in evaluating whether the finished product is "all or virtually all" made in the U.S.“

So in the case of the riser made in Italy, the claim of “Made in the USA.” would be false. It should probably be “Made in the USA of domestic and imported parts”.

 

Yes kshet - lots and lots of legislation ^^ and different for different products I imagine too. I looked at one major USA archery manufacturer and they seem to negate this issue by not specifying it at all at least no where I can find in the little time I spent looking. Usually these things if a point of pride go front and center..

 

I have a TFT with NS-G limbs. The riser has a "made in china" sticker in the bottom limb pocket and the NS-G limbs have "made in korea" directly printed on the limb as part of the graphic.

However, I do not feel being made in China is any reflection of quality. In the past decade or so, manufacturing standards in China have improved significantly. I have a family member who owns a bag company and hes told me how government regulations in China in recent years have mandated better code adherence in factories and stricter QC. His bags are some of the nicest I've ever seen I always bring one on USAT trips. My TFT riser is no different. Ive seen Hoyts, PSEs, and even MKs with manufacturing defects out of box, but my TFT is one of the few bows I've used that is flawless and couldn't be built any more solid.

 

Yeah I reckon it’s more of a perception all minus, whether made in China products are up to scratch or inferior have to be considered case by case. Interesting NS-G limbs have “made in Korea” printed in limbs themselves; I suppose no chance of Win&Win letting non-Korean products going to market with that graphics. How do you find NS-G, famed graphene making much of a difference?

 

Win&Win Factory is in a city called BeiHai (near to Vietname), while samick used to made wooden bow in Qingdao which quite near to Korea.

 

This Christmas i got WNS FC-100 limbs and its printed "Made in Korea" and quality control signature from korea.

Maybe last controls done in Korea. Just like "Swiss made" certain % of labour and material must be native to put "made in" badge on the product" ?

 

Interesting that Fc-100 is made in Korea, would have thought as WNS product would have been considered by Win&Win as intermediate product. Though I have to say never figured their rationale for labelling FC100 as WNS instead of mainnWin&Win brand given its price and quality. I guess all Win&Win limbs (rather than WNS) from Winex up are made in Korea then?

 

The TradTech RC wood limbs I bought last year, (Made by W&W for TT), have a made in China sticker. I was a bit bugged by it. The Galaxy limbs that I had before those were about half the money were made in Korea.

All things considered, the made in China label is my only gripe about the TT limbs. I'm still gonna use 'em.

 

With textiles, if 50% of the manufacture of the product is in the USA, then it can be labeled made in USA.

All bandana fabric is made overseas because there are no weaving factories in the USA. But you can import Chinese woven fabric. Print cut and hem it here in the states and label it made in USA. Never having to disclose the fabric was made in another country.

Manufacture in China or other countries in regards to quality is mostly up to the manufacturer and how much you want to pay for that quality. Many choose a cheap price manufactured product which ends up being low quality.


Chris

 

That’s simply not true.

https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/bus.../guidance/threading-your-way-through-labeling-requirements-under-textile#unqual

 

not to derail the thread,

sorry to tell you, but you are not correct. You are using the wrong portion of that webpage.

Unqualified “Made in U.S.A.” labels
If a U.S. manufacturer uses imported greige goods that are dyed, printed and finished in the U.S., for example, they may not be labeled “Made in U.S.A.” without qualification.

Note: In determining a product’s country of origin, you don’t have to consider the origin of parts of the product exempt from content disclosure, like such as zippers or buttons.



For USA labeling, all you are required to label is Manufacturer RN, fabric content and country of manufacture. The fabric is considered a raw part and has a qualification as such.


I happen to be one of only 3 bandana manufacturers in the USA, and one of the largest. I manufacture more than a million bandanas a year. I manufacture in China, India and Turkey. Everyone else in the USA is an importer outside of the 3 manufacturers.

Most of the wholesale you find on various websites come from me or another competitor. They offer made in USA labeled bandanas that are in fact printed in South Carolina on imported Chinese fabric. In fact, there are only two print mills left in the USA that even print bandana fabric. If those two go, there will be no manufacture in the USA and it will all be imported. I am extremely well versed in the law and labeling. Trust me, i manufacture the only certified organic cotton bandana that there is.

I have manufactured for Ralph Lauren, Walmart, Isaac Mizrachi, Grand Theft Auto, Stetson, NASCAR, Disney, Sony and many many others.

In Archery you may be an expert, but in textiles and bandana manufacturing/ labeling, I'm sorry, i have you there.

Remember when the guy wanted to argue about arrows with you? Its now reversed.


Chris

 

My New mxt gw limbs say made in Korea

 

Made in Korea

Limb and box say made in Korea

 

I've owned both high end made in China by win win and high end Hoyt...I never have to worry about fit and finish as well as durability with win win...I can't say the same for Hoyt...or even uukhas. The finish has always been in question for me with both of those. The bottom line is win win quality control even being made in China is well above the quality control at Hoyt. That has been my experience.

 

There were Hoyt look a like made in China too..

 

Those look like pretty good copies...faktor with veratune plates and gmx. I'll take a new gmx but are they machined or cheap casting

 

Found these photos in some Chinese Forum 2 years ago. not sure if they were machined or casting. but low volume CNC is not that expansive this days

 

I'm sure win win has the ultimate hand in quality control...the fact that it's made in China is probably just cheap labor. A couple years ago people said graphene could not be used cause it was too expensive but obviously it's been done and maybe able to offset costs with the difference in the labor prices. Even still I have never been subject to question the quality of the products made for win win.

 

I don't know if the new win win trad tech stuff is made in China or not??? But... they have a huge following and I have never read or heard of any complaints or concerns... I would guess that the lower end black max were made in China.

 

My RC Woods, purchased april or may 2019, were made in China. I wouldn't call those lower end

 

Almost everything is made in a foreign country. Even things marked as made in the USA might not be totally made in the USA. I'm not understanding the point of the concerns.
Nick

 

Most developed countries have strict legal codes about what needs to be done to call a product “made in USA/Japan/wherever” which means you can be assured significant part of work for manufacturing has been done domestically, with hopefully implied assurance about quality. It’s not exact science but a factor worth considering for some people (including me) I suppose.

 

My W&W riser, MY 2019 also had that made in China sticker. Excellent quality though, so I just don't care )

 

Win&win already have good reputation and for sure they try all their best to keep it up. made in china... is just a label but I belief, the quality still follows win&win through their strict QC.

 

I'm sorry but this is what everyone says.

I've been an optics consumer for decades. I saw what happened to the quality of optics when they moved from Japan to China, within the same company that always promised their MIC products would be made to their standards with their QC. And you can always tell the difference between MIJ and MIC optics.

Personally I have an issue with moving production to China for anything I buy. I'd challenge anyone to try and convince me why sending money to China is a good idea.